Am I wrong for comparing the religious to Nazism?
They both only want to be around people who are just like them. They both spew hate speech & degradation to others not like them. They both wish for death of others not like them??? Am I the only one who sees the direct resemblance??
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.I Would not directly compare, but I do remind people the fact that Hitler was a . According to the social peckikg order, the Jews were persecuted for other reasons than just thier religious vews, it was the fact that they, as a whole,had power and money and owned business, at a time the entire nation was in a depression. They were targets for political power. And money. Both of our political party's throw "Nazi" comparisons at each other, but never make the connection that Nazis were mostly s , the swastika was a symbol that Hitler used to see as a child in his church. I wouldn't say compare, but connect the two words
Likemike
Level 3
July 5, 2018
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I grew up in a catholic family. I can't remember a time where I did not question what I was taught. I researched a number of books and theories, asking if Jesus existed, if he was married, had kids. Did he really die on the cross. I moved on to reading about many myths and other religions I am one of the few that will invite a Jehovah's Witness into my home.
People want to belong to a group that they have something in common with. We also want to trust the people who lead us. This is why we get people that in the extreme, develop the ability to kill what is not of their group. Nazism was concerned with murdering those who did not fit into a certain criteria.This was their purpose.
Religion is concerned with defining the meaning of existence and wants to convert others to their way. The killers are the ones on the extreme end of the scale. They are not the norm.
missinglinkbc
Level 2
June 8, 2018
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Nazism was essentially a religious movement. Under the Nazi regime Atheism was illegal. The motto Gott Mit Uns was on every soldier's belt buckle. The date that was chosen for the Reichskristallnacht, the event that started the progrome against the Jews, was Martin Luther's birthday.
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PontifexMarximus
Level 8
June 7, 2018
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Nazi Germany was more than 98% christian. You are only wrong to bring in all the other religions which aren't always about disguising hate as love.
mt49er
Level 7
June 7, 2018
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Religions do disguise hate as love because there are so many of them and only one is the right one. That right religion is always your religion.
I've been using the term "ChristiaNazis" for years. I coined it in college when I briefly became "born again" (sorta) and all of a sudden my "friends" were telling me I had to stop playing video games, get rid of all my music CDs that weren't Christian, and that my grandparents were in torment in Hell because they went to a United Church of Christ church.
In some ways religion is very much like Nazism. Some religious people feel that everyone should have to follow their views by law, regardless of what a person's views/beliefs are. They think that anyone who doesn't agree with them should be killed. That's not how a civilized society works.
GilbertFreon
Level 5
June 7, 2018
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NAZIism is/was a form of nationalism: fascism, control of opposers,...
NAZIims also included racial purity mandates.
islam is the best/worst example at the moment. The saudi jerks are less interested in religion for themselves, but they are nazis in the sense of controlling all who live near them. And they are interested in expansion: they are funding many muslim groups in europe, including mosques.
The talaban, isis, these are very similar. But, with less emphasis on racial differences.
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JacarC
Level 8
June 7, 2018
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Yes, that argument is somewhere between a reduction to absurdity and Godwin's law. Everyone always wants to compare groups they don't like to Nazis and people to Hitler. It degrades your argument and causes more eye rolling than anything else.
mattersauce
Level 7
June 7, 2018
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Well the Nazis wanted to create a brand like no other... They successful. So in that respect the German fascistes outperformed their Italian and Spanish counterparts despite the fact that generalissimo Franco outlasted Hilter by decades. Not even modern Islamo-fascists have reached the same level of brand recognition. To this date only Judaism, Catholicim and a few junk food providers and Nike have reached higher levels.
Yep
GregGasiorowski
Level 6
June 7, 2018
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Funny. I like DarkMatters.
Anyone who believes that everybody who belives in a deity is a facist is probably a facist ?
SimonCyrene
Level 7
June 7, 2018
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I'm not saying everyone who is religious is a Nazi. Religious people are 90% SHEEP!!! LOL
The Religions are what I'm talking about. The teachings. The sheep will only do what their leaders tell them to do.
How do you think Nazism took over. People were agreeable & complacent with the retoric. And when the leaders could, they executed their hate & the absolute last majority of sheep did nothing.
That's what religion is. These sheep are taught hate as babies. Then they stand by and let disenfranchised groups be persecuted.
@kaychantell i hear bitterness and hatred in your rhetoric though
Lol, checkmate
Both Professor Stuart Hall in 1979 and in 2004 by Dr. Laurence Britt wrote articles defining the major points in identifying extreme nationalism and or fascism, just as a thought experiment I took their criteria adapted and applied it to the LDS and to a lesser extent to religion in general
- An easily identifiable symbol to rally too.
- Specific terms/ code words or euphemisms exclusive to the group.
- Powerful and continuing expressions of belonging to a chosen or special race.
- Praising of a Mythological golden age of your ideology that give rights of rule by dynastic or spiritual heritage to all members and especially to leaders
- Being included in and party to sacred mysticism denied to less worthy others
- Physical Body Worship combined with reminders of spiritual unworthiness
- Disdain for the importance of human rights especially those of outsiders
- Suppression of the rights of the individual in favour of the group and the greater good
- Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
- The supremacy of the physical and or spiritual power broker
- Institutionalised sexism
- A controlled mass media
- Obsession with internal security and or secrecy
- Religion and ruling elite tied together
- Power of corporations protected
- Power of labour suppressed or eliminated
- Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts
- Obsession with crime and punishment
- Rampant cronyism and corruption
- A pretence at democracy including Fraudulent elections or sustaining of the leadership
If you accept the above as indicative of a fascist state then the LDS and to a lesser extent all religions are fascist institution.
LenHazell53
Level 9
June 7, 2018
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Have you considered
1 Yes
2 No What about Papacy, divinity, Eucharist, redefining the word faith, Theology for example
3 Yes
4 Know how about the Pentecost is giving the rights of the true priesthood to the disciples and the line of ordination continuing from one generation to the next down to today, the great age of the kingdom of heaven on earth?
5 No Power of the priesthood? Miracle workers? The 5 spiritual gifts?
6 No Glorification? The rising of the dead in a perfected form at the day of Judgement?
7 No The right for persecution of certain groups on the grounds of religious freedom and conscience?
8 Yes
9 Yes
10 Yes
11 Yes
12 No, Vatican TV and Radio, Bonneville Media, endless Christian cable and radio and satellite channels, Muslim Radio stations, Catholic dominance in the BBC, Goldwyn Mayer films (Jewish), Warner Bros (Jewish)
13 No Vatican has the Swiss guard, the C of E has its own security force, Mosad, Police of Vice and Virtue
14 No The UK, Israel, Vatican City, state of Utah all in part are theocracies before you even start on the Arab states
15 No All religions are major business investors and owners
16 No Submission to religious authority is a common doctrine, work is expected to be volunteer or at reduced rates when it is for or in the name of a religion
17 No Anti-intellectualism is so common in religion it is a cliché art when not for the glory of god is profane
18 Yes
19 Yes
20 No General synods, callings from god, the appointment of bishops by governments
It's best to not view people as a monolith, I think. For some, their religious views are tempered by rational thought. For others, it justifies the worst impulses. There are definitely parallels, no doubt about it! Still, many religious people fought those Nazis.
Humanity is attempting to be rational and civilised, but it's really hard to do. The cosmos is built in a way that would kill us in an instant. Nature is brutal and we are doing our best to be something more orderly than the mud we sprang from. Progress is messy, disorganised, and violent sometimes... but at least we are talking about it, seeing it, and realizing we could do better.
That's a start at something better. 
HonkyBMcfunky
Level 6
June 7, 2018
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There are very fine religious people like Rev. William Barber and Jimmy Carter. Any doctrine can be twisted to evil ends. The Nazis took parts of Christianity that suited them and used it for their own purposes.
davsmith4156
Level 5
June 7, 2018
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Fascism is the ruling class taking direct control of capitalism following a crisis.
All niceties such as democracy, law, culture etc are discarded. Undesirables are usually used as slave labour in the ruling class's factories and businesses. Dissent is crushed. It is the ruling class taking control.
Ellatynemouth
Level 8
June 7, 2018
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It’s sort of like Nazism in devotion to authority, justifications for sadism, and strict loyalty. Nazism is ALWAYS murderous, however, while religious adherents can find softer interpretations which involve compassion, generosity, and love. Nazism is devoid of those traits. It seeks only to punish.
rainmanjr
Level 8
June 7, 2018
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All the crusades & murders that both Christians & Muslims & Hindus & Jews have committed in the name of their gods both past & present....
Some of them can't kill directly now but do kill people emotionally & mentally every day. While in grander terms, our Christian government kills mercilessly & does great harm to children.
@kaychantell I hope you go back and study religion AND HISTORY. But this time leave your bias at the door. You have admitted to unresolved anger, go heal that first before condemning others in sweeping generalizations. (Note: I am neither proNazi nor proReligion).
@kaychantell "Our Christian government..."
Our constitution and its framers say otherwise: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. ... But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding...." - Thomas Jefferson
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…." - U.S. Treaty with Tripoli, (approved unanimously by the Senate in 1797)
Moving forward, Rev. Bird Wilson in a 1831 sermon said: ”The founders of our nation were nearly all Infidels, and that of the presidents who had thus far been elected [George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, and Andrew Jackson] not a one had professed a belief in Christianity."
Continuing, John Tyler (10th President), in an 1843 letter: "The United States have adventured upon a great and noble experiment, which is believed to have been hazarded in the absence of all previous precedent -- that of total separation of Church and State. No religious establishment by law exists among us. The conscience is left free from all restraint and each is permitted to worship his Maker after his own judgment. The offices of the Government are open alike to all. No tithes are levied to support an established Hierarchy, nor is the fallible judgment of man set up as the sure and infallible creed of faith. The Mohammedan, if he will to come among us would have the privilege guaranteed to him by the constitution to worship according to the Koran; and the East Indian might erect a shrine to Brahma, if it so pleased him. Such is the spirit of toleration inculcated by our political Institutions."
...and that only scratches the surface. PLEASE, lose the brainwash and open your history books.
@Meep70 While all that is true it means very little in today’s USA. The Pentagon is rife with Christian mindset and networks for promotion. Edwin Meese’s Federalist Society, heavy on Christian “values,” has put in place 3 of the last 4 Justices. We all know how much support Evangelicals get from the WH (this was even true under Obama but to lesser degree). We veered away from our Founders ideas some time ago.
@kaychantell; I didn’t say Christianity hasn’t committed atrocities. I said only that many Christians don’t. That’s different than Nazism.
@Ciravolostone other comments she's made on this post.
@kaychantell All that is true but doesn’t ALWAYS occur. Some adherents to such ideas become pacifists or more compassionate. I’m only saying that more loving occurances never happen with Nazism.
@Ciravolostone It’s frustrating to carefully type out thoughts that are then misread or understood. Happens a lot on the web. I’ve learned to drop sarcasm because it’s rarely understood without tone. It makes for better writing, I think, but also generates a lot of anger. These are angry times so maybe there’s a connection?
Another atheist militant polling. Did you ever thought that hitler and malcolm x had a lot in common? hitler and trump have a lot in common. Most members of the nazi party were people like you, simply of another race. Many germans didn't knew what happened until it was over. Do you know what happened to the 1500 missing children separated from their parents that can't be located by the american government? Do you care what happened to them? Should the regular registered democrat or republican american be held responsible? Never met an american that didn't wished somebody was dead. Very possible everybody in the world want somebody dead and keep on wishing to the stars. Who do you want dead? christians, muslims? white devils? Somebody said this saying... "The criminal judges by his condition". I am an atheist that do not worry about any religion or any political party of another country in the last century. Nor do I wake up every morning looking to pick up a fight with the first cross I encounter.
GipsyOfNewSpain
Level 9
June 7, 2018
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I don't wish anyone dead. Yes I care about the children. I talk about it constantly. It pangs me that I'm helpless to stop it.
You wish people to die... Hmm says a lot about you. I've gone through a horrible life but I still don't wish death on anyone.
I feel Religions prepare the minds of children for hate & division by categories.
kaychantell
Level 3
June 6, 2018
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I was in the religion very deeply. It is just like Nazism. If they could take over like Hitler & force conformity & death, they would.
@Matias
I've studied all the top 20 religions in USA. They actually have the same principles as nazism. exactly the same just different objects.
@kaychantell I agree with Matias. Clearly your personal experiences influence your beliefs.
@kaychantell What experience you got in Nazism? I had lived in Germany, had German GF. Talked to many Germans including those that remember Nazi days. Is not Hollywood. Became friends with many Germans. I don't know what church did to you but is your cross... we don't need to help you carry it.
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