You do know there exist constitution free zones? And most neophytes view the constitution as out dated and should be replaced. The police walk all over it on a daily bases. Only those who know and understand the constitution have the power to invoke it.

The second part to this conversation, since you are speaking about Plato, Plato was not exactly for the commons. And in that respect the founding fathers were not either. The founding fathers have several things in common. They were well Educated, Spoke Several Languages, Titled Nobility, Lawyers, were Wealthy, were Masonic, Surveyors. They were deeply evolved in Philosophy, they knew Plato well.

When the Constitution begins with we the people... they are not talking about the commons or the citizenry. They do not exactly teach you this in history class. But the commons did not care wether or not we broke from king george II or not. We did not break because of taxation without representation, though it was a factor. England and the Rothschild Bank of England would not allow the colonies to print their own currency. They had to borrow from the Bank of England and pay back with Interest. The founding fathers saw the cycle of debt. Benjamin Franklin clearly states this.

So when the framers of the constitution state "we the people..." they are talking about themselves, the people of Government. Lawyers and Statesmen, Military Officers ect... The founding fathers did not want to give the commons the right to vote. This was something they debated, and the reason the electoral college was created.

The founding fathers were not christian, they were Deist. They knew about Plato and his allegory of the cave. The founding fathers despised democracies, and that is why they created a REPUBLIC.

I have three Grandfathers documented in History as Veterans of the Revolutionary War. I have one Uncle who served at Valley Forge under Washington. Their exists a fourth grandfather who served, however I have not verified with documentation.

if this is all true, it's just unfathomable. how do you separate children from their parents in this day and age? Our collective conscience learned a terrible lesson when this was done to American Indians. how do our lawmakers live with themselves...

Damn bible loving criminals...

And we had Sessions today quoting the Bible in regards to following our laws...it can’t get much worse! Where is Congress? Dead on the job?