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I'm concerned about the Boy Who Cried Wolf. Until recently I was among the group of people who would put down any comparisons of today's America to the early days of Nazi Germany. I find I cannot do that anymore. People on both Right and Left have screamed "Nazi!!" so many times over the years, I think we've collectively become inured to it. But there is a rising fascism in this country. It's stronger than a lot of people realize because most of it isn't in the news. Most of it is in our communities, quietly festering. It's been there a long time; what we're seeing in today's headlines is the result of SOMETHING. I believe we need to find what that something is, and I think we are beginning to. But we need to coalesce it into a solid that we can destroy before too many more people are hurt; before people start to die en masse and we turn our heads, saying "Oh, it's not THAT bad. That's not happening HERE." Thoughts?

PeterDvorak 5 June 16
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Totally understand and respect your concern. For me, the big difference today is social media & ‘the googles’. Access to knowledge and freedom of opposition to ideas. Propaganda is key when manipulating a population, and whilst Facebook is obviously full of lies and fakery, it routinely gets called out loudly on every thread. For me,...... in my optimism,...... that ability to openly ‘call out’ the lie is the difference, and the regulator that provides balance. It enable the general backlash to rise up in response to obviously antisocial ideas.

The nutters are out in force in the U.K. too,..... I know some of them personally & their commitment to their bigotry is shallow and easily knocked off course by the odd fact here n there..... 😉

I had thought on that angle myself. It's harder than ever to fashion public opinion your particular way when the facts are right there in anyone's pocket. On the flip side, if you're drawn to the rhetoric, all the propaganda you could want to lean on is there as well. Just a thought. I really didn't know this post would blow up like this, now I'm REALLY scared.

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Hitler needed the burning of the Reichstag to coalese his power. Anyone think that Trump isn't looking for his burning Reichstag moment?

Yeah. Burn Trump Tower!

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I spent 3-years in Germany at the end of the sixties on my assignment in Military Intelligence for the US Army. Having been born in 1944, I was a "War Baby" and my dad was a CB and three uncles were in service, two of whom were in the opening invasion at Omaha Beach. Why tell , it's the reason I became an avid student of WW II history. My personal library runs to just shy of 4,000 books, 80% of which is history.

I talked with a lot of Germans about the rise of Hitler and the Nazis as I found it hard to believe such an intelligent bunch of people of all class fell for the program.

I have continued to study the phenomenon and have a great many books on that period of history. After the rise of Trumpism I, too, have come to realize the links that are so obvious to anyone with a clear view of history.

I suggest anyone interested in America's survival to read two books by William L. Sirer, "Berlin Diary," and "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich," as well as one by Mark Wortman, "1941, Fighting the Shadow War." The truth is in the works and the urge to Nazism and all of its associated ills and wrongs MUST be defeated!

All the disgusting symptoms are alive in America today, including the torch-light parade, Nazi "Sieg-Heils" and Nazi stiff-arm salutes and especially Trump's unmistakable endorsement; "nice people on both sides" made it all too real to me. Trump is an existential narcissist as well as a racist a misogynist and a teller of big and small lies and does not belong in the Oval Office; unfortunately, Pence is not a valid replacement, nor is Ryan. America is in for a long period of BS and everyone must be careful of whom we put in elected office. Be afraid America, be very afraid.

All three books are available from Amazon. and are not expensive. I fear the American right and anyone with an eye to history and right wing extremists to whom Trump has inspired and given a leg up. He even desires a dictator- inspired military parade. !!Tuck Frump!!

I wouldn't doubt that one or more of these is available via interlibrary loan.

Well said!

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There has always been fascism in America. Rockefeller Eugenics scientists are the ones who shared knowledge with Hitler's scientists. People like Ford sold trucks to the Nazis, & did their best to keep you out of WW2.

And the Bush family links ..selling arms to the Nazis.. [theguardian.com]

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three and a half years ago i told a friend of mine, jewish like me, but not atheist like me (he's orthodox, in fact) that the republicans were using fascist methods to gain and retain power, and that the rise of trump amid them was comparable to the rise of hitler. he was horrified that i would, as he saw it, trivialize the holocaust in that way, and stopped being my friend. (yes, this was on facebook, but we had met, and although our initial contact was online, it had not been on facebook. we'd been friends for 21 years.) i was right, of course, and i sometimes wonder whether he has figured that out yet, whether he ever will, whether it is too late.

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Well, he is probably someone who thinks that what is happening to the Palestinians is not ethic cleansing.
Has your friend not seen the tiki torches and seig heils by some segments of America go uncondemned by the establishment? Has he not heard immigrants referred to as cockroaches and blames for criminal behavior by the government? Does he not realize that attacks on Jewish centers have quadrupled under Trump.
The holocaust is not being trivialized when you can see an wish to stop the repeat of conditions that lead to it. Also, the holocaust was a genocide and perhaps not even the one with the largest numbers [scaruffi.com]
Unfortunately genocides are not rare, it cannot be claimed that to identity conditions leading to genocides is trivializing the holocaust- if anything flagging fascist conditions is respecting the victims of genocide so it may not happen again.

@Livia i have no idea what he thinks or has seen. he dropped me, as i say.

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See my post about the Ducksuit.

Ok, I'll look for it. Got me pretty curious with that one.

Awesome! Love the ducksuit! Very creative!

@PeterDvorak Thanks. I find it's a way to point out the differences between real conservatives and the phonies. Also, it's a little bit humiliating for them.

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From an outsider’s point of view (Canadian) and reading some of the partisan comments here, it’s obvious that bi-polar Amerika is on a downward spiral and beyond the point-of-no-return. If you don’t think many of these comments are partisan that demonstrates how indoctrinated many of you are.

BTW – I spell Amerika with a ‘k’ because you’ve surrendered so many freedoms for the illusion of security since Nixon defaulted on your currency (closing the gold window) in 1971 and allowing the banksters to rape you and your monetary system that you deserve neither freedom nor security.

Well, of COURSE they're partisan!!

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