How can heaven be the 'ultimate pleasure', if you know your loved one(s) are suffering in hell?
Personally I wouldn't be able to sleep - no matter how fluffy the cloud.
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.The whole proposition of being able to think, of having senses to feel clouds or pain, in some kind of hypothetical afterlife seems a bit crazy. Our senses are born of the body, as is our ability to think... remember what it was like to be a baby? It'll be something like that in the afterlife.
Denker
Level 7
June 29, 2018
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Heaven really shouldn't appeal to anyone who is not living as a peasant/slave in a feudal society. If one is educated, the lack of purpose beyond worship sounds like hell.
It's just so obvious that heaven is the reward for unending labor, starvation, and mere subsistence living for peasants, tenants and crofters. Being told that the rich are as likely to go to heaven as a camel going through the eye of a needle would be just the motivation they need to remain miserable.
Flipping the script, so to speak, heaven gives them unending treasures, a mansion, and no work. It's a genius way to control the working class and make them proud of their suffering.
GinaMaria
Level 7
June 28, 2018
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This is how Christianity become such a rolling machine in the early decades. There was no need to be rich, indeed it was preferable to be poor and the returning Messiah was going to kick the Romans out. A well marketed propaganda that, with a stroke, negated the philosophical authority of the Sadducean Rabbi and the Roman.
My father commented that my mother would join him in heaven where they would spend eternity together. The look on her face said one lifetime is enough. Maybe he's right and my mother did something and his heaven is her hell.
HighSeasKat
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June 28, 2018
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Why worry about an imaginary place?
I'm sure you don't worry about Valhalla.
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birdingnut
Level 8
June 28, 2018
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adz:
I'm not 'worrying' about anything. This is a thought experiment - or better yet - ammo you can use against a brainwashed sciencophobe. =D
When my dad died, my older brother told me he didn't know how I could cope with the loss without his god in my life. Dad was a nonbeliever. According to my brother, he was in hell. I didn't point that out to him.
schwinnrider
Level 6
June 28, 2018
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Pope said there ain't no hell.
starwatcher-al
Level 7
June 28, 2018
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Depends on which Pope: "In a homily delivered Sunday, Pope Benedict XVI stated, "Jesus came to tell us that He wants us all in heaven and that hell - of which so little is said in our time - exists and is eternal for those who close their hearts to His love."
Funny how "god's Ambassador" can change the message from his perfect unchanging god. lol.
Ultimate pleasure and fluffy cloud do sound nice at first.....LOL
PickledRick
Level 8
June 28, 2018
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adz:
I know. I thought about it the second I posted it!
A valid observation that reveals the self centered insolent psyche of many a Holier than thou Theist.
Another classic example of how many religions (of love) actually promote the opposite.
Really glad faith based religion is not a part of my life.
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June 28, 2018
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