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Should a person be able to accuse u of a criminal offense, what would have been criminal save statute limitations, 30 years after the fact.....Forget the recent news, i'm just asking.

PS...Down with Trump....In case u think something subliminal is being hinted!

IamBane 6 Sep 17
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Character does matter. If one is be hired for a position that has the responsibility for making decisions about issues relevant to the issue they were guilty of transgressing, then by all means their past behavior needs to be considered. Even childhood indiscretions point to a person's ability to make good and proper choices. These actions reflect upon the underlying paradigm they have regarding this partucular issue.

Actions do not happen in a vacuum. Sure an adult can learn to repress the behaviors because they know that being caught has severe repercussions. Punishments outweigh the risk. But, this is not an assurance that they see the action as morally wrong or unethical, just too risky. It can impact their response when faced with making policy or important decisions.

Speaking generally and non-specific.

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With proof or corroboration, yes. Without, keep your mouth shut!

i completely agree

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yes, they should. and if they are able to present reasonable evidence, they should be taken seriously for the accusation.

and whether or not you put "Forget the recent news", no one is fooled into thinking this is about anything except rape, and there is very little likelihood that it isn't about the current case, given the time frame you chose. whether or not you support trump.

how did u calculate that "likelihood".....what was ur numerator/denominator? did it include my own personal experience when i was 17?...........any other assumptions u want to throw-in b4 u go?

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Maybe it's my personality, but i could not conjure the thought of "being quiet" after someone did ANYTHING to me....The very second after, the very moment that i got physically free from this person, i would scream from the rooftops.....And it's mighty suspect when people don't!

"and it's mighty suspect".

this accuser had to move out of her home for the number of credible death threats she recieved, but it's suspect that they wouldn't come forward?

ever see a rape case handled, what the victim goes through? but it's mighty suspect that they don't come forward, huh?

I love it when men post this shit, like you'd have any fucking idea. ask one of the young boys raped by priests why they didn't come forward, you'll hear EXACTLY the same thing.

you can't conjure the thought of being quiet, so if everyone isn't as manly about having their life dissected, their reputation ruined, their rapists getting 6 months with time served, reliving in inquest, deposition, and testimony a truly horrifying event to people whose bias is to not believe them, accuse them of bringing it on themselves, talk about the damage it's going to do to the RAPISTS life, as you are, there must be something wrong with them, eh?

She wasn't going to come forward at all. She was never going to come forward. UNTIL she saw that they were about to put him on the Supreme Court. And you might be okay with a rapist or attempted rapist on the Supreme Court, but she isn't. for that matter, neither am I.

wait, maybe she woke up and went "you know what I'll do for fun, I'll make a false accusation against a powerful politician, because I want my life ruined, my character questioned, and to live in fear of retribution for several years, sounds like a lark".

you know when you get false reports, statistically? the most common false reporting from verifiable statistics comes within days of the event, and comes from girls or women who are caught out in an event that is either embarrassing or threatening to them if it were known they consented.

of course, I know from your responses to previous posts this might be wasted breath, but I felt I had to at least try.

@HereticSin ur 2nd to last paragraph is the only thing that made sense......my god, are u a family friend of this lady, u know a lot of personal detail. I can tell from ur posts that far be it for u to make an assumption.

@HereticSin I love it when women post this shit, like you'd have any fucking idea.

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Man i dunno. I have been with some crazy women b4 that would have done anything to see me burn, and if i hadn't seen it coming, i may not be talking with y'all right now. It's actually happened to me. And trust me, everyone who was there and participating was there of their own accord. It's only after those whispers in the halls of the high-school started when she cried foul.

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Well if you understand the reason that some victims are unable to come forward you will know the answer to your question. In rape cases, the victim may be embarrassed, might fear no one will believe her/him, might lost their job over such an allegation etc., suppresses the crime in their mind. In a theft case, let's say there was an heirloom stored in an attic and some family member died or someone forgot it was there and, by the time they realized it was stolen, it was 30 years later. Should it be too late for the victim to reclaim their property or get justice?

lerlo Level 8 Sep 18, 2018

but that's not what happened. logically, this hypothetical victim of theft KNEW that the heirloom had been stolen for 30, yet never said anything. Then wham, all of a sudden there's a crime

@IamBane well since we're talking hypothetically, let's say the mob stole it 30 years ago and threatened the family if anyone turned them in...30 years later the dangerous guys are dead...feel better? Moral of the story is that there can be things that keep people from reporting crimes. Statutes of limitation vary by jurisdiction. There is no statute on murder...ok to finally report that you saw a murder committed 30 years later if the mob guys or cartel is no longer a threat?

@lerlo
Staying with ur hypothetical of the previous heirloom hypothetical stemming from my original hypothetical, how many times do u think the mob ACTUALLY stole the heirloom against the times that a family member stole it from everyone else in the family, then made-up some bullshit excuse about the mob?

Does this person have no responsibility for the others in their community who were threatened by the mafia after, and partially as a consequence of, their silence?

@IamBane So victims are responsible for the crimes of their perpetrators!?

@IamBane I got it. You don't want to believe 30 yr old claims. Your choice

@lerlo 10-4

@lerlo, @ghettophilosopher yeah, yeah, cowboy, that's exactly what im saying...penetrating dude, penetrating

@IamBane Victims are to blame for the actions of perpetrators, the truth has an expiration date... We're being a thousand here.

@ghettophilosopher yes, if speaking out would have stopped further actions to others. and yes, ur claim on the truth, and the moral high-ground, can expire given ur indifference to the suffering of others....It may be the truth, but nobody cares because u didn't do the right thing in the first place.

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A statute of limitations removes legal consequences, not moral or ethical ones. That would be like arguing that it's ok to commit a crime if you can get away with it.

yes, i agree. but that's not my point....my point is the availability of an accusation after 30 years of silence

@IamBane In other words, a statute of limitations on the truth..?

@ghettophilosopher in a way, YES

@IamBane If the truth has an expiration date, then what are you left with?

@ghettophilosopher ur left with regret: i should have told the truth a LONG time ago, then maybe they'd believe me

i tell this ghetto, i do appreciate going back and forth with ya, ur making me think, and i like that.....i know i come across assholish but im just trying to be interesting....nothing personal dude!

u ARE a quick sum bitch!

@IamBane "then maybe they'd believe me". look at how actual rape victims who report immediately are treated. one of the reasons they don't come forward is because people don't believe them. "look how you were dressed" "if you didn't want it why were you drinking with them" "you've been dating for 3 months and you want us to believe this wasn't consensual", all the while the rapist is claiming he didn't do nothin', or that she was into it, often with his buddies backing him up.

it's not like most rapists do it in front of witnesses except other rapists or supporters.

@HereticSin what about their responsibility to others? does she have NO burden to other potential victims that this person could have ravaged for 30 extra years, because she's scared someone won't believe her.

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it depends on the crime. in most states, rape has a statute of limitations between five and 10 years. for some reason, crossing the border illegally, a misdemeanor, is still prosecutable 30, 40 years after the fact even though it's a victimless crime and the "criminal" may have led an examplary life, contributing to society, ever after.

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yeah, no shit......i have 2 DACA's working for me right now, and they are the 21 best employees i have. They have kids, they both work, and they both pay taxes: what's the problem, u know?!?

2 not 21

@IamBane lol i thought you were referring to their working as hard as 21 people! yep, and the thing about dacas is they actually have not broken any laws, because they were brought and did not knowingly or willingly cross the border without permission, as their parents did. but regarding their parents, how about a statute of limitations on that completely minor offense, especially as balanced against their bringing those wonderful dacas into the world?

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Sexual assault and pedophilia should NEVER be subject to a statute of limitations. Most women and children victims have been intimidated into keeping silent and it takes courage to tell about it.

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Rape, attempted rape, assault, are the Gifts That Keep On Giving...i know from personal experience. And it shows a mindset that is very disturbing in one who will be deciding All our futures.
Tell me, have You ever drunkenly assaulted a woman? Why not?
And in a country with probably 1000 judges, This is the best we can come up with? Really?

oh yeah, im not making excuses for that bastard. hell he prolly did it. but something like this Has happened to me b4. thank, little g, , i had evidence to prove the contrary, but what if i hadn't.

@IamBane someone waited 30 years to come forward and accuse you of rape?

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You would have to be more specific about which crimes. Stealing your bicycle 47 years ago? Probably not harming you now. Paralyzing you in an attempt to murder you so you couldn't testify against me for raping you 20 years ago? Likely still affects every singe day of your life in a negative way. Statute of Limitations should be directly proportional to harm caused.

that's why the only law on the books with NO statute limits is murder

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It would seem to me that u can't....no matter what happened!

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