Observation from church today:
09/23/18:
- Light doesn’t lie
- “God’s Challenges, disturbance isn’t to hurt us”
- I am deserving of judgment because I don’t believe the stories of the Bible?
- No emotion for God—no love, fidelity, or joy—that is me, but only for organized religion; faith; seeking out God depends on suspension of disbelief, of “God-given” rational thought
- I think I am spiritually dead by the sermon’s standards
- Paul was a murderer, so of course he lamented his shitty ways, especially when he saw a better way. Unfortunately, persecution returns later in history and continues to this day in the name of Christianity
- Inclusive fitness is arguable in terms of the Golden Rule. Why cast aside community benefits and conscious inclusion of ourselves when discussing altruism? It’s disingenuous and ignorant.
- Aren’t we all deserving of God’s wrath for having any material goods?
- Free will isn’t free...so why pretend it matters at all?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.#2 is a tiresome old chestnut. It's like if I were beating you up and claiming, "this hurts me more than it does you." Abusers never mean to hurt you. It's always for your own good.
It still hurts.
Of course the good news is that god isn't real, the seeming abuse is just the machinery of life inexorably and indifferently chewing through you. No one is actually picking on you. And no one actually owed you anything.
#4 is another old fave of mine. I was always made to feel guilty that I wasn't thrilled with Christianity's lame value propositions.
mordant
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Why would you attend church? I sure wouldn't.
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birdingnut
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Sep 23, 2018
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I like numbers 6 and 9 a lot here. Sexuality aside, Paul was a murderer who did not meet Jesus and he changed everything with over a third of his writings in the NT. His ideas are absurd to an extreme. We think he had great visions and taught us so much and yet this man by his own admission could not tell "whether he was in or out of his body." People so afraid of death took this as further proof of a "soul." To me it's like being taught how to drive a car by a totally blind instructor.
"Free will" is determined by your lifetime of experiences. Somewhere within all of this are your choices and they will be different for everybody. It has nothing to do with free to chose serving god or not.
DenoPenno
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Sep 23, 2018
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Certainly it does..people are told to love god, and if they don't, they get to be tortured for eternity. This is not exactly "free will."
@birdingnut Exactly. Free will is a myth created by theists to claim that god wants you to come to him by your own "free will." We do not really have that luxury.
@DenoPenno We actually DO, as physics teaches us.
Einstein taught us that all matter is a form of energy, so since energy can neither be created nor destroyed, we have always existed and will always exist in some energy form, and different dimensions exist.
"For physicists, the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." -Einstein
Physics indicates that we are participating in creating our own universes/reality.
“Consciousness is fundamental, and matter is derived from consciousness." – Max Planck, theoretical physicist who originated quantum theory, 1918 Nobel Prize in Physics
Quote:
“A fundamental conclusion of the new physics also acknowledges that the observer creates the reality. As observers, we are personally involved with the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the universe is a “mental” construction.
Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter.
Get over it, and accept the inarguable conclusion. The universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual.” – R.C. Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University , “The Mental Universe” ; Nature
@birdingnut Yes, and Nandor Fordor once said he believed that theists were creating their own heaven and he would not be surprised if they had it all created by now. This was supernaturalism in psychoanalysis. It has no provable evidence. I deal with logic and things provable.
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