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Atheism Has a Suicide Problem
12/08/2017 08:59 am ET Updated Dec 08, 2017
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Depression is a serious problem with in the greater atheist community and far too often, that depression has led to suicide. This is something many of my fellow atheists often don’t like to admit, but it is true. I know a lot of atheists, myself included, would all like to believe that atheists are happier people than religious believers and in many ways we are. But we also have to accept the reality that in some very important ways we are not.

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There are of course many valid reasons why atheists are sometimes more prone to suicide than religious believers. Interestingly enough, one of those reasons is religious believers themselves. We live in a world dominated by people who often fervently believe ancient superstitions and who many times demonize, harass, ostracize, and disown those who lack belief in those ancient superstitions. Atheists on the receiving end of this treatment are understandably stressed and isolated. They often experience anxiety and depression as a result.

Imagine you are a young person who has just come to the realization that God is imaginary. You have just realized that everything your religious tradition and your parents have taught you is make-believe. Your whole world has just come undone and for the first time in your life, you now have to wrestle with the great existential questions of life on your own and without any support networks. What does it mean to live a meaningful life without a supernatural deity? Without an afterlife to live for, what is the purpose of life?

Not only does this young person have to struggle with these existential questions on their own, but they also have to do so under the backdrop of fear and anxiety about revealing their doubts and atheism to family and friends. Maybe they already have and as a result, they have been ostracized and/or disowned. Left with no friends, no family, no church community… they are alone, in the philosophical dark, and probably facing the bullying and harassment of their former religious community.

I wrote about atheism’s suicide problem before and got a variety of responses. Some atheists questioned whether the statistics actually showed that a problem exists at all. For the record, it does. I can also tell you anecdotally, that it does. Like I said in that previous article, I have had friends who have died or who very likely have died from suicide. Since that post, I know even more atheists who have taken their own lives. But even if the suicide rate among atheists were exactly the same as among religious believes, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t work to lower that number. This life is after all the only life we have.

There were Christians who responded both privately and publicly to my previous article on this subject. They were often quick to point fingers and say things like, “See, atheism causes suicide,” or “Maybe atheists have a higher suicide rate because they know that their life means nothing without God, but are too arrogant to beg him for forgiveness even though they know inside they are guilty, they choose to die forever with their sin.” Yes, those were real comments from real religious believers. It is what has been called, #ChristianLove. Even the odious Bill Donohue of the Catholic League got in on the action. In his book, “The Catholic Advantage: Why Health, Happiness, and Heaven Await the Faithful,” Donohue mentions me by name as he misrepresented and flat out made stuff up about my previous article, which he was attempting to use as source material. These responses, of course, entirely missed the point. Let me lay it out. Yes, atheists like many other marginalized minorities can be prone to depression and even suicide in large part due to the horrible behavior of many in the religious majority.

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I acknowledge that while ignorance really is bliss and people may be happier when they believe in magical paradises after death, it is only when people accept reality that they are in a better position to make themselves and others truly happy. It is the difference between being high on drugs and being high on life. Or in this case high on Jesus vs. high on the vast wonders of the universe. Obviously, I think being high on life is the better kind of happiness. But that is just my opinion.

As a community, atheists should be reminding each other about the wonders around us. It is far too easy to get lost in our day-to-day struggles and problems. To paraphrase Ferris Bueller, life moves pretty fast sometimes and if you don’t stop and look around every once in a while, you just might miss it. We only have one life. There are no do-overs and no magically perfect kingdoms awaiting us when we die. This is it. Life’s too short to waste. If your life sucks, work to make it better… if not for you, for those who come after you. Again, there is a vast cosmos out there and we are links in the chain of human achievement.

One thing I have noticed is that after someone commits suicide, there is suddenly an outpouring of support for them. If only that outpouring could have come a little sooner… Well, it kind of can (not for them obviously, but for the next them). That’s right; we can be there for our friends and family right now. We don’t have to wait until someone commits suicide to say nice things to and about them. We don’t have to wait to check in with people we know are struggling. We can be there for people right now. This is one area in which religion has an actual advantage. They have a support system and a community. But atheists can have that too. There is no need to believe in ridiculous superstitions on insufficient evidence to have a community willing to help each other. We got this.

Atheists are notorious for being contrarians and people who are not always joiners. You get three atheists in a room together and it won’t be long before there is some minor issue that divides them. South Park famously satirized this and in the past few years, we have seen this at our local and national meetings and events. But the fact is that if religion has done anything right, it has been to form actual communities for people to gather and share their struggles. We don’t have to all agree on every issue. There are going to be both minor and major issues that atheists are going to have with each other. However, we are all on this tiny blue dot together and we need to be there for each other because there is no magic deity to help us and no one is perfect.

But it cuts both ways. Not only do we have a responsibility to help each other, but we also have a responsibility to communicate our struggles with each other and ask for support. There is no magic deity peering into our souls. Hell, there aren’t even souls to be peered into. Did I just say “hell?” That’s not even a real place. But I digress. Anyway, my point is that we have to offer help to others and we have to ask for help when we need it. That’s on us and there is no shame in admitting that we need help.

Here are some resources that might be helpful for anyone struggling with anything:

Recovering From Religion has a peer to peer help line: 1-844-368-2848. The Secular Therapy Project can hook you up with a secular therapist. Grief Beyond Belief is a great resource for people living with the loss of a loved one. And of course there is the National Suicide Prevention Hotline: 1-800-273-8255.

[huffingtonpost.com]

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Good post, and another noteworthy source would be Openly Secular.

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It seems all the secular based studies I have read about suicide reflect Durkheim's original findings, which are that the mor erigid a peron's religious beliefs system the mor elikley the will be to commit suicide.

Studies which attempt to show atheists havign a higher rate of suicide than religious persons usually tend to be flawed and weighted because the study was beign done by a religious person who had a bias and so they designed (loaded) the study to reflect results that affirmed their own beliefs. This is a bit mroe subtle than "creation science" trying to over turn the theory of evolution, but it is the same general priviple of trying to replace actual science with crappy science just to affirm ones own beliefs.

It is true that when leavign religion, many atheists do experience a crises and a depression. This is because humans are group/herd animals and we evolved in groups for reasons fo safety and survival. We feel safer and fenerally more at peice beign a part of a group and having a place in that group. We are animals tht fel best when we have a sense of community. A sense of community and belonging is the only positive aspects, in my view, which religion actually provides. It is also the reason why many doubters reamin a part of religious groups when their "faith" has long since failed them.

So, when leavign a religion atheists do have to deal with the sense of loss of belonging to a community... until they learn to form new relationships withotu the religious community's help. The depression in most cases only lasts as logn as it takes to learn to socialize outside the religiosu community.

The problem I have with peaople talkign about atheists suicide is that people tend to assume that the propensity for suicide is more than just transitory whiel the person adjusts to no longer belonging to a religious community, when the only increased likelihood of suicide for atheists is in that transition period.

Any adjustment to transition in life causes stress. It coudl be a change of job, end fo a relationship, death of a friend or family member, change of school or a myriad of other stress related causes, including loss of religious beliefs. However most life stress events are only temporary.

It is true that when a person leaves a religious community there re multiple stressors., loss/change of community, loss of support from friends and/or family members, and it often causes relationship problems as well. They have to literally rebuild their (emotional) support system.

That beign said, long term atheists, or persons wh opahve always been atheists are generally far less likely to commit suicide. The only high risk group are those transitioning from religion to atheism.

Counter the stressors with newly discovered freedoms from religous mores and many new atheists never go through depression at all. The highest risk group are those who go form a life that were heavily sheltered and enmeshed in religion to atheism. Or, in other words the more the life of a person had been centered aroudn religion, the more streessful it will be for them to leave the religious community for atheism and the more likley they will be depressed, because they had invested mucyh more in a religious community emotional support system

"That beign said, long term atheists, or persons wh opahve always been atheists are generally far less likely to commit suicide. The only high risk group are those transitioning from religion to atheism."

Citations please.

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Your post is very educational and inspirational to me. There were a number of times I thought about committing suicide when I was a religious fool. Now as an atheist, it hasn't crossed my mind once. I'm free to be me and religion be damned.

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From that article you posted. Some interesting things..
Like I wonder if part of it is the non religious have less of a stigma and are more likely to seek medical help.. (whereas the devout would go to their pastor and seek help).
Plus there is the whole can't commit suicide cause they would burn in hell part..

Also the rituals and the weekly sunday get togethers I think have to play a role..

I would also like to find a comparison between the religious and Buddhists..

I'm still unconvinced that the non-religious are more prone to depression.. I would like to think it's a human issue.. not a religious one.. but I have no facts to back that up..
I will keep my eye open for stuff in the future though as I find this very interesting.
Thank you!

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Another factor is the S.A.D.(Seasonal Affected Disorder),or lack of Sunlight,bringing on depression,light therapy boxes with strong UV lights mitigate this with daily exposures for those affected by this.

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I read an article about the link between intelligence and depression. Not saying all atheist or agnostics are intelligent (just look as some of my comments), but I would say there is better chance of encountering critical thinking and honest evaluation. I can also see the correlation between those that honestly look at reality and the frustrations/loneliness that results.

@alanalorie Thank you for the post and links to the suicide lines.

If anyone reading is in this place of depression and hopelessness, please know that there are people on here that do care about you and want to see you remain part of our world.

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Here is a Journal article, not an op ed piece It provides support that religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed that are in the hospital. It tries its best to explain why.

[ajp.psychiatryonline.org]

Just quickly browsing that article.. I would agree it clearly states the non-religious have a higher chance.. but the cause I wonder about..

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"There are of course...."???!!!!
Article begins, after initial paragraph, with this totally Unsupported claim, than entire article ASSumes this is true & then goes on from there. I call BS!

BNBR: I accept and read other scientific papers that counterclaim. The end that describes that people need help with suicide applies to everyone and is important information. It is an opinion paper and I am not representing it as factual. As it stands now it is not correct nor incorrect. You are free to start your own post with supporting evidence. I would not be offended. My family has been greatly touched by suicide.

@alanalorie Are the ones seeking suicide,too proud to ask for help? The late Robin Williams come to mind,brilliant actor,tons of money, yet all alone....

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While there may be some truth that atheists are more prone to depression and suicide (I don't know, having not looked into this), my immediate thought is that it may be the case that people who suffer depression and suicidal thoughts are more prone to atheism - rather than atheism causing those conditions, the conditions cause atheism. Religious people are taught that God is all-loving and generous; if they're living with the day-to-day agony of mental illness or have suffered the sort of hardship that might make them suicidal, they're more likely to question whether this benevolent god can possibly exist.

Jnei Level 8 Oct 28, 2018

I rather prefer Matt Dilhanti's (off the cuff) (loosely translated/remembered from long ago) response to the question of why suide was a factor in the atheist community - of . . . (roughly) Course they do, they are a member of the minority social class this is largely not placed on an equal light as the religious majority. - - Matt was more eloquent then my recall.

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well, sorry, but atheists are NOT notoriously nonjoiners, nor contrarians, though i may seem contrary right now for disagreeing with you. that is bunk. atheists have all different kinds of personalities, just like everyone else. i also have not seen any of the statistics you assure me so confidently are true about atheist suicides. i have seen some (not recently so i can't link you, sorry) lots about family annihilators; they tend to be christian. mormons, i think, tend to off themselves, don't they? atheists... nope, haven't seen a thing about that.

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BNBR: I welcome any Journal article that you provide.

@alanalorie so observation and experience do not count, and what i say is meaningless unless unless someone else has written about it?

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@genessa I will share with you that I became oversensitive and that the comment from you (which was mild) and the other lady, "calling BS" almost resulted in my contemplation to never post anything on this site again. I just hoped for civilized discourse when posting the article.

Observation and experience are valuable. However, when you say something is "BUNK" or "BS", the support of "why" should come from the person that says "Bunk and BS" in order to have effective discourse.

My mother killed herself when I was 5, it was a powerful personal experience and changed my life forever, but I do not assume that her and my circumstances are the "ultimate truth for others." I also know what it is like to be alone as an atheist and how painful the lack of support can be.

Personal experience is wonderful as a tool for helping others that need support but does not make for good logical arguments. I may think differently than you because of my love of science and the scientific method that matters so much to me. However, personal experience helps inform us and is the basis for scientific inquiry, but it is not a universal truth for all.

@alanalorie Yes,there are those who wear "Blinders",and will not accept alternate,ideas,facts,or even theories. In life,there are few absolutes; The Sun rises and sets,we eat food for energy,and health,it's been said(I read somewhere), our World is a Science experiment with a C- on a shelf in an Alien kids closet.

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