@Deiter rofl you do NOT get my point at ALL! i posited nothing; i explained how judaism views things. i didn't say anything about MY view, or an outside view, or anyone's view except how judaism views things. i did not argue that judaism's purpose was to serve jewishness. i said nothing like that. i don't even know what you MEAN by that. were you really reading my post or did you mix it up with someone else's? as for patronizing, oh BROTHER, look in a MIRROR. you have decided to tell me what i said. you're wrong. i didn't say it. and you obviously know nothing about judaism, talking about people being accursed.

second of all i said nothing about a messiah. christ is a greek word meaning savior. it doesn't mean messiah. messiah does not imply "saving" and it also doesn't imply divinity. second of all, in judaism, taking on someone as divine is taking on another god. again, not MY posit but at least i typed it this time. i didn't even type anything like what you said was my first posit!'

regardless of anyone's opinion of religion in general or a particular religion, there are definitions from with the religions. all i did was state what judaism says is or isn't a jew.

everything else is as imaginary as an imaginary friend. but thanks for patronizingly telling me i was patronizing, for telling me what i said that i never said, and for being an ass in general.

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@Deiter i am speaking from my knowledge of judaism. i am not speaking for or against it.

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@Bobby9 yes i know about the trinity. since in judaism there is no trinity, that explanation doesn't fly in that context. no matter how christians may justify having more than one god as having only one god with three aspects, from the jewish point of view, that's taking on another god. since jews get to define who's a jew, that makes someone who take son jesus NOT a jew. it's quite simple. we're not talking about what anyone thinks about anything except who is or isn't a jew.

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@Bobby9 yep. i am not counting his context. his context is that jews for jesus was invented by a baptist minister for the sole stated purpose of converting jews to christianity without telling them they were converted. i think he was baptist; i know he was christian. i am too busy to look it up right now. pretty sure baptist. anyway, i am not unsure about his stated purpose. so that is a context that discredits any claim messianists have to being jews.

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@Bobby9 rofl then why are you in the discussion? i don't care whether you care! i didn't force you to say anything!

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@Bobby9 idiots do, on occasion. i was not rude to you, but since you ask, sometimes idiots make me rude. then they make me block them. ah, relief!

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@Bobby9 their beliefs aren't real, but they really do preach them.

sorry, but jesus is only thought to be the messiah by people who don't know what "messiah" means (which means you could WELL have read something to that effect, since lots of people think it means savior, or christ, the greek word for saviorl it is certainly not your fault if you've run across this concept). jesus is not looked down on by jews. he's irrelevant to jews.

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@genessa I didn't mean Jesus was looked down on. From what I gather, Messianic Jews are looked down on by other Jews. I mean, it's basically a form of Christianity. So... "fake rabbi."

@bingst lol "other" jews -- they're not looked down on by "other" jews. they're just not jews. it's not a matter of looking down on them. it's a matter of not considering them jews at all. judaism is based on a covenant with god (i am speaking from the point of view of judaism; obviously i am an atheist) that he will be the only god. (this always kind of implied to me that there were more of them!) so by definition, meaning the covenant, anyone who breaks the covenant and goes off with another god is not a jew. it's not a matter of "oh they're not as good as us REAL jews." they're just not jews! it would be like a bunch of catholics declaring that they were jews because they decided to go to church on saturdays.

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