I've never had my own kids. Instead I've spent my life doing what I can for those who are already here whether they are step kids, nieces, nephews, foster kids or the kids I work with in my many jobs, program coordinator for at risk youth program and Head of Delegation for our area Special Olympics and Designated coordinator for kids and persons with special needs.
I would like to adopt at some point too. Many kids who age out of the foster care system have no family to help them get started in life and they are very worthy kids with dreams and drive but they don't make it because they are put out when they are 18. If I ever have the means I want to adopt a few of those kids. I hear what you are saying and if you really feel that things are that hopeless that their is nothing in the future to live for then you are probably doing the right thing. The world needs people who are full of hope and positivety that want to do what they can to make it a better place as long as they can.

Ok dude you had my support until the end where you kinda went to some place that I believe that you need to talk directly to that person ok.

But as a father of a semi successful 24 year old I can tell you this that your argument for how bad this world is as being your reason to not want to bring a child into it is invalid.

And I’ll tell you why I believe that is the first part of your statement. People across this world are ignorant, stupid and do terrible things.

First off that’s entirely an opinion and you need to meet more people because what they really are is confused, scared and uncertain about the future of anything because we’re bombarded daily with negativity and fear.

And those same sources constantly show us the worst of humanity and the reasons why we won’t last. Sounds about right doesn’t it?
Now if only all of the smart and caring people in this world were to have children and to raise with the same core values that they have then we could possibly offset the ignorant, stupid people who do terrible things.

I’m only saying that quite possibly you could be doing more harm than good. My child is very much like me a strong willed passionate problem solver who would do whatever it takes to ensure everyone is capable of doing what’s needed by building them up and making them believe in themselves.

And for that I’m extremely proud and if I should pass away tomorrow I’d be confident that my contribution to our world will carry on and succeed me.
That’s what real parents do.

So you can either assist in building a better civilization or you can be consumed by the worst of it either way we will move forward with or without you.

There are days when I think that the humanity should just die away for the greater good. Then there are days when I hope that the humanity will continue on forever, evolve, and go on exploring this vast universe.

Fortunately, the latter days far outnumber the former. Still.

And I am not fully convinced that those two things are completely unrelated.

The world can do without your stupid, ignorant rant.

Being married is not incompatible with being childless. So saying your antinatalism is why you have not been married long is a non-sequitur unless the marriage broke up solely over that one issue. And one could argue that a marriage that fragile died a natural death for other reasons.

Speaking only for myself, if I had it to do over again I would not have had children, and my wife feels the same. It is a combination of the suffering they've been subjected to, the resulting worry and care on our part, recent world developments, and way too often the ingratitude on the part or our children.

That said, the world is not 100% terrible and people who decide for themselves to have children do not deserve your animus on that basis alone. You need to focus on what you have in common with them (like, say, humanity) and not what you don't have in common with them. A focus on difference is in fact the main thing that makes the world "terrible". In that sense, you're contributing to the problem. Your shit doesn't smell better than other people's so quit acting like it does.

I used to think it was irresponsible to bring another human into this insane place. Then I felt obligated to. Can't let the Stpid people out breed us. I wanted to adopt, my wife at the time wanted to birth our child. I'm glad we did. I love being a father and he is a positive light in this sometimes dark negative world.
P.S. Don't let em' get you down!

I wanted to adopt for the same reason, but my ex had other ideas. Some days I regret bringing them into a world with so many problems to live a life that can be so difficult. My son tells me that he is happy to exist no matter what.

I wonder if a dating site for just childless people and those who never want to reproduce would work. It’s hard enough as a nonbeliever, adding a no kids clause really lowers the odds but anyway I hear ya.