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I am so, so tired of this:

  • ".... so I will stick to what my friends would probably tell you about me in hope that will work. I am considerate, caring, thoughtful and God fearing [Baptist]..... a woman of integrity. If you don't want to know the truth, then you shouldn't ask me the question. I love people, but must say, I'm not as quick to trust as I once was....... "*

I am running out my subscription to yet another dating website. On this website at least 57% are "religious", 2% are ugly and the rest are religious and ugly I haven't had a response in three weeks to make contact. Why? Well let me tell you why. I am truthful and considerate and tell them in my profile I am atheist. They look at my profile (I know they look) and move on.

So what kind of man is this lady looking for?
"If you read about "me" then you should have an idea of what I am looking for in a man."

Now, god forbid, she should look just a bit further and continue reading about me or maybe expand her horizons.

Never mind--better to know now.

My name is KGoodyear. I am 65 years seasoned. I am an anti theist. My physical, mental and financial health is great! I don't want or need your money. I have never smoked, drank alcohol, coffee or used drugs illegally, I am strong. I have never touched a lady inappropriately but when I do you will like it. I built my house (with my sons) and shops with my own two hands and they (the house, shop and the kids) are long since paid for. I can build damn near anything out of wood or steel. I retired at 58 and never looked back. I am pragmatic and a fantastic problem solver Sometimes I don't shower for a week but will shower daily if only I can find someone who appreciates someone who stinks because they have been working hard. I have a college degree. I live near Oklahoma City. PLEASE ladies, give me hope or TELL ME WHAT THE HELL I'M DOING WRONG.

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!

kgoodyear 6 Dec 9
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off the top of my head and in no particular order:

  1. ugly is as ugly does. rejecting someone who isn't photogenic may mean you have rejected that ONE who would love you forever, whether you loved her at first or learned to love her or somewhere in between.

  2. are you looking for a lot of women or just one? if a lot, well, then, you may want to customize yourself to appeal to a lot of women. if just one, then find the woman who loves you as you are... but be ready to love her as she is, too (see #1 above).

  3. no one likes being touched inappropriately (that's why it's called inappropriate!) so your statement is at best is miswritten and at worst scary.

  4. be glad the ones who move on seeing you're an atheist do move on. you don't need those women.

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Only because you asked will I tell you my opinion.

What you wrote sounds mostly great and I hear that you are frustrated with the process.

If I was interested in dating, what you wrote above would cause me to investigate your bio. That investigation would lead me to your pictures. You are a nice looking man. Your hair and very long mustache are, however, a turnoff to me.

Some people like long gray hair and lots of facial hair. I don't. One note, regardless of MY preferences, is that the shape of your mustache, combined with your very long hair, makes your face look much longer than it probably is.

Edited after reading your last reply: To me, the fact that you've "never done illegal drugs" is neither a positive, nor a negative. It's "Meh, so what?" Same with coffee, alcohol, etc.

Those things are as relevant to me as whether you eat celery or not. Meaning, it's irrelevant.

My perception of your statement is that you see yourself as superior to those who have done illegal drugs or who do drink alcohol or coffee. I'm guessing that is not the case, but it reads that way.

The hair thing seems to be 50/50 with the ladies. My hair is actually something of a pain but I would regret it If I were to cut it. If I go out on a date or to a place where I may meet a nice lady I always go to my hairstylist and she trims everything up very nicely. Maybe a new set of pictures is in my future huh!

Thank you so much for your feedback. Have a good day!

@kgoodyear

I added a few sentences to my original response after you replied.

Replying to your reply:

So, 50/50 is automatically removing 50% of women. If 40% are religious and 10% are unattractive to you, dude, you're out of options. LOL!!!

As you know and acknowledged, you received a lot of feedback from your question. The choices you make along this journey are yours alone.

Best of luck! 🙂

@BlueWave LOL That could explain a lot!

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You are right. Last night I was frustrated and pretty edgy. Everything each of you have said deserves a hardy "Fair enough" My rant in my profile is fairly accurate but one of frustration. Cutting my hair is not an option. Other guys with long hair can relate. I will read all the posts again and I will learn more. Except for my name, I won't edit the profile paragraph.

Here is my actual profile

Well how do you talk "About Yourself" without starting every sentence with "I"? I am retired so I split my time up between working on my car, in my wood shop, financial endeavors and watching YouTube videos and throw in a nap or two. I love to learn new things and I have acquired a wide variety of talents I picked up building my own home, shops and all the furniture in my house. I am atheist--but read on anyway please. I am frugal but not cheap. I have a firm grasp of English grammar and enjoy conversations about almost anything. Though, a bit overweight I am very healthy mentally, physically and financially. I enjoy learning about myself and you. While I do not live on a farm I spent my childhood on the farm but opted for life on my sequestered wooded lot in a wonderful eclectic neighborhood. I've lived alone for several years and while I am quite comfortable with the lifestyle I do miss sharing my life. I have never smoked and I can count on one finger the time I got drunk. I didn't like it and never did it again. I have never done illegal drugs.

Yup... I get the long hair thing! Though I was thinking about cutting it all off in the summer and donating it to Locks of Love and then starting over. We'll see.

Your bio sounds much better than what you typed last night. Though, for me personally, I wouldn't rule out a believer. The girl I am seeing now is... But she respects my beliefs as I respect hers. We both decided this was not a problem early on. Or... You might want to just say that you are not religious. I know... I get it... I wear my Agnostic/Atheist beliefs like a badge too. But they can be as threatening to some as a religious zealot who wants to save you! Be in the middle of the spectrum instead of the end... My .02 anyway.

You also might want to put in who you are looking for. Someone may read your bio and see herself as exactly who you want and prompt her to contact you.

OR... Just got to Walmart for the day. Check out the ring fingers first (Ok... AFTER you check out her butt!) and then just strike up a conversation. If you happen to meet in the cucumber section... I'll bet you'd have an interesting first conversation! 😉

Glad you acknowledged you were frustrated and edgy when you wrote your original post. Would be sad if you were that grumpy all the time! Seems you've cheered up a bit and have a more positive and welcoming vibe to your profile.

As for hair, mine is past my waist and I would never cut my hair to please a man. If/when I cut my hair it will be to please myself. How we wear our hair is part of our style and personality. I consider hair, like weight, to be a preference that can change over time, not permanent, and so should not be a deal-breaker.

@Julie808 I do feel much better today. I think I vented last night and I am glad to have new and patient friends with patience there to guide and teach me. Thank you are very kind,

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My advice as follows....

  • First off don't EVER give your full name online! Scammers can find out A LOT about you with just your name, city and state! Give them your first name only!
  • Don't come right out with the Anti-theist stuff. Would you REALLY turn down love if she were a believer but respected your beliefs? You may want to revisit those thoughts.
  • Never having touched a lady inappropriately but when you touch them they will like it? I'd rethink that whole sentence!
  • Leave the bit about showering out entirely!

You whole point here is to create interest so that they will want to reach out to you... Not tell them everything and take it or leave it.

With that said... I think you are the brother I never had. Aside from the showering aspect (I can't go more than a day without a shower!) you sound like my clone except a little older.

Also... As a fellow "long-hair"... A lot of women do not like this look. I am seeing someone now but it is someone I met two years ago and we started seeing each other again. She is already suggesting hair styles SHE likes. HA!

You might try SeekingArrangement.com. Yes... It's a sugar daddy website but just like all the others... Some actually use it as a dating website. For them it is a way to find men who are financially secure and weed out lower incomes.

Good luck!

I second what was said here. But I will add, as a devotee of long hair and facial adornment, that your hair would look far better with a simple trim. The ends appear scraggly. Also include a photo with your hair pulled back in a ponytail. Hang in there !

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Hi! Keith,
Maybe it's the Oklahoma part that puts them off. Just kidding.
It really is not easy finding someone when it is better/easier to be single (Not alone) than with someone who's views are not so evident at the beginning but become irritating down the road. They almost always want to change us instead of thinking we might have a valid point.
Wish I had met you 8 years ago. LOL I had an unfinished house, pole barn, etc. on 10 lovely acres in the woods away from town in Cle Elum WA. I sold the property in 2014 and moved into this 176 unit apartment complex for 55 and older low income folks. The adjustment has been interesting.
Good luck with your search, there are some really great ladies on this site.

I hope you are enjoying your low-maintenance apartment. Thank you so much for your comment.

@kgoodyear I am, but I miss gardening naked, the night sky (way too well lit here) and the quiet. Great horned owls hooting in the middle of night during mating season, bull elk bugling, even the occational mountain lion scream is better than traffic sounds.

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You might use simpler words to let the religious gals know you are not religious and don't want to be. It's surprising how many people do not know the word "theist" so would have no idea what you mean by "anti-theist" just saying...

When women reply to you about their religiosity, you might just nicely reply that she lost you at "god-fearing" because you "believe in Good not God" or something simple like that for her to understand. Be nice about it, as she might have an atheist friend, ya never know!

And, this is just a personal observance, don't call any woman ugly, in front of any other woman (or man) simply because she doesn't have the looks you are seeking. Some of us are beautiful on the outside, but ugly on the inside, and vice-versa. What can you tell by a photo? Some are photogenic, some are not, pretty much everyone has beauty whether inside or out, if you are open to seeing it. I don't think I'd ever date any man I heard calling any woman ugly - but that's just me.

Also, saying that you might touch her inappropriately and that she will like it is REALLY CREEPY and something perhaps you should leave out until you know someone better. Warning bells go off for anyone who has ever been sexually assaulted, and at our age, that's well over 50% of the women. Icky trigger for sure.

Oops! Another thing, I sure wouldn't mention your habit of only bathing once a week. I'm sure you would show good hygiene on a first or second date, but how long until you go back to being smelly during a long term relationship? Not very appealing to those of us who love a manly smell, but not B.O. I'm not sure what percentage of women don't value hygiene as an important feature.

Thank you so much for your feedback. My actual profile is append in another post and not so much a rant. I am still working on getting out and making new friends and would certainly clean up. I'm somewhat embarrassed by my rant but I was so frustrated. Thank you again

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Keith- LiterateHiker pretty well covered it, but two things stand out to me-not saying I have tons of room to talk on this any more than you but- One, rejecting over 40% of the women as ugly seems a little too harsh and limited for a guy who's not outstanding looking. Guys in or around average need to be more flexible than that. Second, much of your essay, no matter how true it is, comes off as bragging. I've heard most women don't like that style. Having said all that, you seem like a pretty interesting, smart, cool guy. I wish you better luck than me. For an atheist, trying to date in OK must literally be hell...

Great feedback Tom. I was having a tantrum and I apologize though it is all true there sure wasn't much editing---obviously!

@kgoodyear Glad you took it that way. I have tantrums too and I had no doubt all of the claims about yourself are true and very impressive actually, at least to me.

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Maybe you need good strong Russian woman.
We have them for sale you know and soon we’ll have a fresh selection of slightly used Ukrainian women.
They come with a 30 day warranty.
So when you need a woman to make you glad don’t forget to call uncle Vlad.?

Very funny!!!

Ishchu ochen' miluyu zhenshchinu, kotoraya smiritsya s khoroshim sil'nym muzhchinoy, kotoryy ne p'yet vodku Vy dolzhny oplatit' svoy put' v Ameriku i priyti s politikoy vozvrata. Nemnogo angliyskogo neobkhodimo. Pereday ot menya tovarishchu Putinu privet. Izvinite, kurort ne srabotal.

@kgoodyear Albanian??

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Hey, Keith...

I am going to think on this and reserve this spot for my answer tomorrow.

I see a few things that you need to tweak and also things you need to just not put out there...

EDITED: I agree with every suggestion so far...take them with a grain of salt as well as with the spirit they were intended...you asked for help, now it is up to you to pick and choose what works for you without compromising who you really are. Good luck!

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Not sure what you consider "ugly," but perhaps you should re-assess that. If you're looking for Julia Roberts, but you're a far cry from Richard Gere... well ...

Deb57 Level 8 Dec 10, 2018
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Hi Keith,

As you know, many women don't like long, white hair and Santa Claus beards on men. I prefer a clean-shaven, well-groomed man.

You shower once a week? Ugh. Good personal hygiene is essential to attract and keep a woman.

Clear Smiling Photos are Key

What matters more than anything when it comes to your online dating profile? One word: Photos. Photos can drastically increase your chances of getting more communication and dates. Or not.

You have 3 seconds to make a good impression. Women will see your main photo as a tiny pic the size of a saltine cracker on their cell phone screens. If your main photo is not clear, bright and attractive, they move on.

A genuine smile is inviting, warm and attractive. Women want to see your eyes and smile.

Your main photo should be a head-and-shoulder shot, showing you SMILING and looking at the camera. You also need one full body shot, again taken outdoors and smiling.

Other pictures should show you outdoors, doing activities you enjoy. No hats, sunglasses, alcohol or stupid poses. Caption and date each photo-giving the location and year- to make the photos more interesting and clear.

Profile Writing Tips

Your profile is an advertisement to help you meet the kind of woman you want to date. The best profiles are well written, upbeat and interesting, with a dash of humor. Your first paragraph should be short and upbeat, and say something positive about you.

Internet dating is a written, visual medium. Correct spelling and grammar are important because it shows you care about details. Write in short paragraphs. Nobody wants to read a wall of words.

Describe your best characteristics and strengths, activities you enjoy, and what you are looking for in a relationship. Talk a little about the type of woman you want to meet using personality traits.

Tell a few short, funny stories about yourself that show your personality and sense of humor. Avoid anything negative. Nobody wants to date a negative person.

Describe activities you enjoy and would enjoy doing with a woman.

I need to file this away for future reference. Thank you so much for taking the time to give me valuable feedback. I am afraid I was having a bit of a tantrum last night and while I felt better afterwards it wasn't long after I work up that I realized i embarrassed myself

@kgoodyear

You're welcome, Keith.

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