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Oh Boy....Another new, regular church going christain girlfriend. Strange thing, we seem to be balanced and well connected in most ideas ways.

Greatest indifferent are our views on love and pyramid of priorities. The top of my pyramid is, we are biological -organism beings first then lower followed by man/woman and child then lower level downward with people of service to the bottom of Religion, military and greedy Bastards.

Her pyramid top is God and her Catholic family. God is all love for her. Where love, defined by me as when 2 people or thing that are stronger together than apart. With many acts of kindness.

Is it wrong to ultimate fall in love together with someone who has their top endifferent priorities of values in life than mine?.

Castlepaloma 8 Jan 7
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Personally I'd have a malfunction with someone who prioritizes their pedophile "relatives" (Catholic "family" ) but maybe it's just me ...

I have lovely neighbors who are active with Catholic Charities and pillars of their local church who are really upset about the sex scandals but somehow keep being Catholics. I suppose it's the same thing that keeps Trump supporters going, it's the near-unlimited capacity of humans to rationalize the shit out of everything.

Seriously though I guess what it boils down to is exactly how her faith informs her character (or fails to) and whether you can respect her or not, despite her brain-fart beliefs. It CAN work ... my previous marriage was ended by my wife dying, not because of disagreements because of my turning atheist on her. That was actually zero problem. But it's a very individual thing.

My present wife is a fellow unbeliever but she has what I regard as misbeliefs that annoy me, so there's also that. Spouses will always have disagreements and different views, with or without religion.

I guess my bottom line thought is, since religious disagreement is potentially significant, all the other ducks need to be in a row. When you have 2 or 3 areas where there are potential problems, that IS a red flag. How are you guys about money / debt / acquisitiveness for example? About politics? About the role of in-laws? Does she have weird family dysfunction? Is she flaky around holding down jobs or does she have a lot of abandoned friendships? If everything else looks pretty much solid, then maybe you can risk the religion thing, particularly if you're not contemplating starting a family.

She being Age 64, although the most beautiful I have ever seen in my life at her age. A baby would kill her, yet, she is solid in every way I can think of.

You have me thinking about an monotheistic God, who is an individual personal choice, just not, my thing. In which that could be just one downside vs the landslide of upside things, about her.

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Nothing wrong. But you may find some hard challenges as you attempt to align and deepen your feelings.

I tried one of this disparate situations , earlier last year. Never again.

Good luck !

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It will be eventually when the glaze wears off. My late partner and I were on opposite ends of the personality spectrum but were 95% aligned with our values. That and a willingness to learn and change made all the difference in the world.

Generally, I can agree with people about 95℅ of the time. It's that 5℅ disagreement can be a real bitch.

Then my chances are good, as long as we can both respect each other's indifferences.

@Castlepaloma 5% is a small number. Basic religious differences is not small.

@JackPedigo

Let me ponder, that point.

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Some good points here, among you guys.

From my last whirlwind sex fascination, people here gave me, some good pointers also.

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It surely does pose the question as to whether or not love is conditional or unconditional. Someone I once knew said the following. ' Love should be unconditional with regard to babies and young children, the elderly and those who are infirm or ill, simply because they are incapable of taking care of themselves. Upon everyone else it has to be conditional otherwise it would be like a game without rules, no such game is possible. There have to be agreement(s) between those involved'.

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Please be careful with your feelings. I smell illusion, desolation, manipulation in a romantic relationship when one of the couple is related with religion. How do I know? My own experience. Just go slowly if you decide to experiment a relationship with a non believer with a religious believer.

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Is it sustainable long-term is what you should ask yourself? Can you (both of you) deal with these profound distinctions for a life time?

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"Wrong" is a pretty strong word. I would think anything longer term could be risky though. It depends on how flexible each of you can HONESTLY be with the other's opposed value priority. Most christians that I know would never admit to any priority other than "god first, family second" due to having that preached at them at least a gazillion times. Beneath that, it would be nice to understand where the priorities truly are. If those really are her true values, I would not pursue the relationship. There is too much potential hurt lurking down the line. There's bound to be someone more naturally suited to each of you, I would hope.

It's a sticky dilemma for sure.

Zster Level 8 Jan 7, 2019

Both our dreams or aims in life is to go to the end of the world together in a romantic relationship. That ultimate love, could be stronger than her God, kept secretly from herself.

@Castlepaloma Very true. I very sincerely hope the sweetest of outcomes for you.

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Go for it and find out for yourself. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Yes,if not tried,regrets will be sure to follow,"The one that got away", "Missed chances", and "What might have been"......

@Mike1947

It's worth a shot.

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I personally wouldn't put myself in that situation. For me, I would be letting myself down again, and I'm unwilling to do that. It might be a good idea, in my opinion, to have a conversation centered around what you believe and are willing to accept, and what she believes and is willing to accept. As long as you both are respectful towards each other's views, there shouldn't be a problem. My chief concern would be trapping (leading into a relationship and then attempting to convert and then using the relationship to get their way).

That said, my ex-wife is spiritual, but unsure of anything beyond that. She swayed that way after 11 years together. I finally asked her if she did that to make me happy, or because she isn't certain what she believes in for herself. Oddly, the topic changed and I now recall I never received a proper answer. And my hope is that she was doing it for herself without my influence.

That might be my case, secretly doing it for herself, rather than her God.

@Castlepaloma As a follow-up, I checked with my ex earlier. Her explanation is that I was cynical and mean, snide about all of it. She felt she had to cater to me due to this. I can see her meaning. I have had a difficult time not being cynical about religion. However, I don't wear it. I express it if asked. And I don't do it in a confrontational way. I simply state that I disagree with the religious practice, such as singing 'Silent Night' (would be a beautiful song if it weren't religious) with candles during a UU special service. I mouth the words but don't sing. And when a deity is mentioned, I freeze. I'm not sorry. I won't pretend to enjoy something to impress someone. It's not about dignity, it's about honesty.

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Couldn't you both agree on Maslov's Hierarchy of needs?

Maslow's pyramid sounds interesting.

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I won't say it's "wrong", because that's a value judgment and I try not to make those.
I will, however, say it's pointless, because logically speaking, it's doomed to failure.
Enjoy it while it lasts, and be prepared for it to end.

Generally atheist marriages do last longer. Me being more of an agnostic and her able to question most things, can turn out to be a good match.

I do suffer from some honesty Tourette syndrome. Don't bite my tongue well enough.

At Christmas time, my very religious family and I were playing a game of family feud.
One question was,...in what professional field, would lie the most? I hand tapped first, and gave an answered,...Clergyman!!!!

My niece said to me, how could you?, your brother is a clergyman. Why not answer with, lawyer or Politicans?.

Since my niece is a lawyer, maybe she is right. Nationaism is more dangerous than Religion. Most US Presidents were lawyers. That makes sense why, Trump has a world record in law suit's and is a world champion liar.

Many Catholic I know, 'don't act very religious like my family. Yet still love and get along with them.

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