My grandmother used the bible to justify white supremacy. Heard it my entire childhood. Sick.

Hey. If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for America. /snark

I have heard the US version of Christianity is a beast all unto itself. Haven't been in Europe in years, but my impression is that christians there are not near as fanatical or hysterical.

why would you say most dems are a little dishonest and corrupt? have you any evidence of that? the thing is, both political parties have a lot of elected officials affiliated with them, so there are bound to be some dishonest and corrupt people, but the democratic party does not exist to enrich itself, and it does not cheat to stay in power. that's not the party line or the party platform, nor how it operates.
the republican party does both. the democratic party has had some weirdos in it, and you know what happens to them when they're discovered? the dems oust them. the republicans have a SHITLOAD of weirdos, and you know what happens to them when they're discovered? they get confirmed to the supreme court; they win their primaries and have their parties' support no matter what. the republicans circle the wagons. there is a HUGE difference between the two parties as far as corruption and dishonesty go, and that's not even the only difference.

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Yes...they are. Both parties are just opposite sides of the same coin.

@jondspen This is the exact creeping rhetoric the side that wins wants you to believe - and you not only eat it up - you (and others around here) disseminate it. Those of us from the trenches know better, we’ve the scars of experience as proof. Others simply chant the propagandistic undertones of those with the resources to have brainwashed them.

The thing is - when answers are requested - those who apparently have it all figured out go mute ….. as those who’ve made the effort to advance, continue to do so… if wading through slighter deeper bullshit, thanks to you..

@Varn First...I can't understand hardly anything you are saying - please form complete and grammatically correct sentences. Second...don't assume you know anything about me, or the trenches I have dug, lived in, shit in, and bled in. Thank you!

@jondspen Reads like you ‘got it,’ to me

@Varn I get that you can't make a point without character attacks, which is unfortunately the norm instead of intelligent dialogue on a topic. Here is an article that articulates some of my POV on the matter. [ivn.us]

*EDIT - Here's another link for you. [thefetalposition.com] I really like the closing comment in the article, which I think accurately describes the sameness of our current two party system. "Please do not be selectively authoritarian. Be consistent."

@jondspen And I’m sorry you’re one who needs a link to ‘explain themselves.’ And, if you feel your ‘character was assassinated,’ then the shoe must have fit?

I am just sick of the false equivalency bullshit spewed from those simply parroting a propagandistic line [ including this line from the original poster: “I'm not saying Democrats are any better” - or this: “Sure most Democrat politicians are a little dishonest and corrupt...” - followed by this: “Both parties are just opposite sides of the same coin.” ] … horse, dog, or bull shit …. I lack the resources of ‘the koch brothers’ to fight it.

But I do, and will, because ignoring it obviously doesn't work; it leaves millions sitting on their hands, voting for powerless parties - and allowing our true oppressors to advance. Though, attempting to explain it could become a full-time job

@Varn Yea...I learned how important outside sources are in my graduate work. It's called references, and they are used to backup your research, data, and interpretation. I am smart enough to know I don't have all the answers, nor a full grasp of every facet of every issue, so I do rely on the insight of others to give INTELLIGENT and MEANINGFUL ANALYSIS. From there, I discern their perspective and make a determination if they are bias in their presented ideas, or actually have something meaningful to say. What I don't give credence too, is people who resort to character assassinations and assumptions to try and win an argument.

@jondspen ...and CAP LOCKS, too? ..sorry, I prefer it from the horse's mouth. And we’re not in graduate school, we’re all grown up, sharing heart-felt and hard-earned lessons, observations and conclusions.

Don’t know how many candidate’s forums you’ve attended, candidate recruiting you’ve been involved with, party platform committees, public outreach ... public debates you’ve attended or the depth of your political homework.. But I’ve done mine, and without the slightest doubt - know for a fact - candidates from the Democratic Party were and remain far & away the best qualified, most progressive, tolerant, and honest of our two ‘major parties.’

So, to read the constant drip ..drip ...drip of demeaning rhetoric, having just given three current examples - lights me up! I’ve volunteered and worked for the best of candidates - with a world of difference between themselves and their Republican opposition - and watched them lose.. Many did not expect to win - but gave of their time, resources and physical presence in order for people like you to have an honest alternative. So when listening to the reckless rhetoric, if instigated from decades of Republican and Koch Brothers funded propaganda ..having trickled down to even ‘here,’ a site promoting the advancement and community of a cultural subset most Republicans would exterminate if/ when given a chance … it makes me sick.

@Varn Yes yes,,,I know...if only the democrats held all the power, society's problems would be fixed. All that is needed to be an intelligent, compassionate, enlightened person is membership in a political party. So glad to hear the solution to all our problems is just a vote away. Yay!