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Is there such a thing as universal justice? Is there some form of Justice that is a common denominator across all cultures in the world? Or is justice a subjective concept? Is your sense of Justice connected to religious beliefs in any way or is it a separate, secular idea?

Cutiebeauty 9 Jan 24
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As has been pointed out by others, the idea of justice is a human construct, based on the cultural, political, or religious beliefs of people in a given era. In nature their is no justice, life is based on survival of the fittest, or smartest, or most adaptable, or whatever. I do not believe that religion is necessary for anything, especially not justice. For the most part, with the exception of The Golden Rule, which is a part of almost all religions, there is very little actual justice in any religion.

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What is fair / just / equitable is in the eye of the beholder.

At one time in my life, I defined justice as basically things going my way, and "my way" has changed quite a bit over the years.

That said, I think that when you let go of your need to control everything and have it be a Certain Way, you can arrive at a place of equanimity and tolerance that respects the differences in others and has healthy interpersonal boundaries around your own rights, and this approaches a concept of universal justice. You just have to be willing to allow justice to be individual and contextual, for both yourself and others.

This is something an authoritarian will never understand, because justice to them is forcing what is allegedly objectively "right" on evildoers, and that necessarily becomes about you always being right and most others always being wrong (and you always being virtuous and most others always being wicked).

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I think in our human "consciousness" we believe that something like that can exist... As the Preamble to the Constitution states, "All men (and women) are created equal." However, it seems to be a human construct, not necessarily a 'universal' one. The universe can be pretty ugly and cold and unfeeling.

Be we, as people, can choose in the middle of all that to seek justice (compassion) amid the chaos, we can make life better for those who find themselves in need of justice.

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I've tried to remove my way of looking thinks from religious bs. You don't need religion to know difference from right and wrong or have a sense of justice. An secular view of justice is fair for all who inhabit the planet.

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Even if there is agreement amongst the vast majority of people in any given country as to what constitutes or is deemed to be justice, does that mean that justice is properly administered? It is surely impossible to view justice outside the context of subjective views.

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Karma does happen

bobwjr Level 10 Jan 24, 2019
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Sure. It's whatever I decide. I just don't know why you all haven't accepted it yet.
I guess I'll have to cry louder.

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No
It’s subjective

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very loose commen justice but more like rules and religion. we do all tell the time litterally from the day jesus was born is the only thing and even that changes depending on where you are.

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I think the ultimate justice comes from one’s place in history, if only within the living memory of some. Injustices appear to have a way of surfacing in time.

If not, what’s our worth, our contribution to life? Even lacking a cosmic scorekeeper, good works are no doubt appreciated by all, even if unnoticed.

Varn Level 8 Jan 24, 2019
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If there is, it would have to be based on empathy, not religion.

Orbit Level 7 Jan 24, 2019
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Justice is a human construct. There is a right and wrong way to go about it. The right way is this:

No person/entity/organization/government shall commit force, fraud or coercion against anyone else
The only justification for any of the above is in defense of the above

No exceptions to rules 1 & 2

That's all you need to keep the peace.

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Justice is a subjective concept. We human beings put some value into certain things and then compare those values. This developed mostly for evolutionary reason in the widest sense. If we developed differently we would put value in other things.
But even though it is subjective there are still some value statements that most if not all human beings would agree to. Killing babies for pleasure is not a good thing. Exchanging the life of this being for some short amount of pleasure is not justice.
All those reflections can be made totally separate of religious beliefs but it doesn't hurt to study the influences religions had on them. In my view the biggest benefit is to see which moral rules and views of justice we can discard if their foundations were religious and nothing else. Reason is a better guide for justice because it makes less assumptions (and logical errors that religions make), so even if sometimes religions and reason agree on some values how you got there is basically more important.

Dietl Level 7 Jan 24, 2019
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I'd like to believe that Justice is objective but I'm pretty sure that's Justice is very subjective across the globe. Cultural, Political, Racial and religiously influenced.

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it is subjective. for some it's an eye for an eye. for others it's turn the other cheek. for some it's selective between the two and unfortunately which gets selected for you might depend on the color of your skin, your religion or lack thereof, or anything else that's irrelevant to the situation at hand.

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