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I'm 73 and widowed for about 6 years, I now find myself in a quandary. After little interest from the opposite sex, typically, you're a nice guy, but not someone who they want a meaningful relationship with. Now there are two women showing interest. Both are younger than expected, but not deal breakers.

One woman has a pretty checkered past, including felony drug and weapons convictions, two grown children and a much younger child. She is, I believe, past her criminal years and would like to do parenting right. Last time I tried to help her things went terribly wrong, and we really tried to hurt each other. I'm just as guilty as she in seeking retribution, but now we seem to be in a good space. But am I at risk of being used again? She has asked for financial help. Yes, we have been intimate. Another down side, I'm a world traveler, and she is not eligible for a Passport, you can be a convicted murderer, serve your time, and get a Passport, but a felony drug conviction, short of a pardon, you aren't going anywhere. Her religious history, she was a Mormon.

The other is a woman I met in my extended time in Vietnam. No, I am not a sexual tourist, last time I had sex in Vietnam was 1967! I met her at my hotel where she is the chef. She is also younger, with two daughters, her husband ran off with a much younger woman. Vietnamese women are very strong but also often abused. She was not seeking a relationship, it was not even on the table, but slowly with friendship it has developed into dating. The hotel manager looks favorably on our friendship, encouragement perhaps. We get on well, but aren't really fluent in each others languages... yet. No, we have not had sex, if you understand the culture in the north it isn't going to happen until all ties are broken with the ex. There is a great deal of difference in attitude between the north and the south, I prefer the northern culture. No religion is the way of life for most Vietnamese, paying homage to the family is most common.

Both women are aware they are highly likely to outlive me. While I am living I can make a difference in both lives, however the Vietnamese woman would benefit the most, her life/status would be greatly improved and her children's education assured. Free education is pretty basic in Vietnam but with extra money each month would assure a much better education.

In Vietnam the age difference is not an issue, old people are valued.

I'll say no more, but it you have questions I will answer them honestly.

I don't want to lead either woman on, I have no desire to play both sides.

I lean toward the Vietnamese family because I know they are honorable and the woman is university educated. She comes with references, so to speak. There is the language issue, but I know the culture.

Am I out of line to pursue either?

Lincster45 6 Mar 4
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Interesting comments, and no surprises with number one. I should run, not walk, away. There are things that happened previously I didn't mention that are even more of a red flag.

The Vietnamese lady is approaching this as cautiously as I, especially the family reaction to an older foreign male. Her brother seems positive, but I don't know how the parents stand or how much they know.

Rescue mission, yes, that does come into play, I will admit to having rescued a couple of broken birds along the way, but the outcome has been good. I think a factor for me is wanting to see her daughters get a good education. What I like, my Vietnamese friend asks for nothing, and often insists on paying for dinner/entertainment.

She also has to be aware that she could go from average income status to a rather wealthy status, based on income and cost of living here. I take as a positive sign her discomfort with the possible change of financial status, it would be about a 15 times increase in household income. I think if she was a gold digger the reaction would be completely different, caution thrown to the wind, hand on my wallet... and other places!

I know a gold digger from my first encounter after I lost my wife, I quickly realized her plan was for me to pay for her Juris Doctorate, and then dump me like a bad habit.

Another positive, my Vietnamese friend works with foreigners every day, and according to the hotel staff, has never been in a situation like this before. And as one fellow Aussie, married to a Vietnamese lady and owning a very successful business together, said a Vietnamese divorcee is usually street smart, hard working, and appreciates she will get more respect and better treatment from a Westerner.

Bob, one of my best friends, was in a similar position to mine almost 30 years ago, and I just realized I was the one he turned to for advice. Yan was a Chinese grad student, he was her adviser. They had about 15 good years together before Bob passed. So much positive came out of that for me, too, her father's position in the Ministry of Television and Film gave me the opportunity to get permission for the parents to come to the wedding because of my position in the industry in the USA. My China contacts became a huge asset, her father and I even did some lectures together in Beijing. Her mom managed one for the last Technicolor labs. Some nice memories, but I digress.

So, why am I troubled? I am just looking for a place to talk it out. This seems like a good forum.

I think my Vietnamese friend are happy to take things a day at a time. See where it goes...

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How interesting that you don’t express love for either woman. Instead you rate them on how much you could help them. Wouldn’t you rather have an equal partner in life, rather then a project? The desire to be helpful, kind and make a difference is powerful, but should you manifest it in your personal relationship or in an avocation? If this is the type of relationship you want, then ignore me. Not everyone wants a partnership with love and passion. If this is what works for you, I wish you ever happiness. If you are settling, keep moving forward in your life. There are an awful lot of people that are looking to be helped. I prefer a strong, independent man who loves me and wants to enjoy life with me. I don’t want to fix someone in my love relationship.

Interesting take, and maybe I write like what I am, an engineer! What brought this up was what apparently I didn't say, I do feel love for both women, which is why it is hard, maybe I'm a coward because I don't want to make a choice. I don't want to hurt either one, and I may have set expectations.

Forty years with my wife, I helped her with her career, there is no way she would have become the outstanding woman she was without someone to support her, and in the end she exceeded all expectations. I'll never love another quite like I loved her. And also know there are very few women, I have the statistics, that achieved what she did.

My life has been a life of volunteering, helping people, it's what I do.

@Lincster45 Good luck!

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I may not be the best relationship counselor, having been married and divorced a few times, but I must say that neither of these women sounds very promising. That first one, especially, sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen. The second one sounds a little less threatening than the first, but your description of her leaves me wondering if you find her appealing because you're lonely, and not because she's your ideal. There are more stable women who don't come with nearly as much baggage right here in River City, if you get my drift.

Deb57 Level 8 Mar 4, 2019
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Honestly, neither one sounds like a healthy prospect.
Are you out to save someone ? It kind of sounds like it. At what price to you ?

And you don't mention emotion anywhere - have you equal feelings for both ? And do they profess to have feelings (loving your wallet doesn't count) for you ?

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Your concern for the first woman because of her history was confirmed when she asked for money. I think she means well but she is damaged goods from her former life style. When things get tough she will not be there for you. The chef might work out but it doesn't seem like that is known yet. I would invest in her for now to see where it goes.

OCJoe Level 6 Mar 4, 2019
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Please be careful.

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Are either of these women looking for a long term committment or is this your predisposition? Maybe each is happy with the arrangement as it stands at the moment, why not enjoy things as they are and allow them to develop naturally?

I'd say the first one was looking for support, and a better life. With her criminal record finding a good paying job is going to be an issue.

The second one wasn't looking, she is/was still in recovery from her husband walking away. I've been told it's not always the best to be the rebound person, that it is better if a person has some relationships before becoming serious again. Of course I'm talking American culture. One lady I knew went through 3 husbands before setting down! But she had problems with her knees, she couldn't keep them together.

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Hi Lincster - glad to see you have found some happiness as i have. You never know what tomorrow will bring. It sounds like your Vietnamese friend is a better fit? Education is more compatability. You don't need someone else's legal problems. I regret that Dan has got involved in mine as I try to sell my house-now the bank is auctioning it off in a short sale and my 23 yr old daughter is suing me. I hope your new friendship can grow and be a healthy one.

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