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Here's one issue i never could understand about god when i was a church attending christian.

If God is all powerful and all knowing then why would he get so mad when people sin against him. Wouldn't already know they would do it when he created them and wouldn't he be big enough since he created the universe to take it. I mean when someone sins against us we are supposed to turn the other cheek.

abyers1970 7 Mar 22
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Always wondered about this. When I was young, the youth minister gave long debate-like lectures about predstiny where everything has been pre ordained and free will where decisions change things.
He, personally, said he was a fundamentalist and every word in the bible was the word of God. That never sat well with me because if everything was set in biblical stone, why did have free choice?
The other minister said he was ecclesiastical, by hid definition, the bible was the inspired word and we had to live and grow from it. At least that was more in line with my own awareness.
In the decades since, I have debated many many arguments about Judeo-Christian theology, philosophy and applications but I never approached the most fundamental of all questions, is God, God? Is God real? I never questioned that...until I was admonished for being a wishy-washy Christian. Put another way, a Pick 'n Choose Christian. Time to find out who I was and what kind of Christian I was.
I found out. The ground rules were simple:
If God was all powerful, all knowing and ever present everywhere, contradiction was not acceptable.
If God is God, then mistakes couldn't happen.
If there were errors in God's actions and words, or contradictions in the word and deeds,
Then God could NOT be all knowing and everywhere always. All powerful? Maybe. The jury was still out on that one.

Three years of reading and research later, so many contradictions were found that it was and is completely (and I don't use this word lightly) IMPOSSIBLE.
I discovered that this Holy Bible, from the Torah throughout the Revelations (some them the Apocophies) is a disjointed collection of Bronze Age tales passed down orally for generations before any records were ever written. Those stories, I concluded were adapted, revised and assembled to make a foundation for a religion to bind the Roman Empire together.
Emperor Ceasar Constantine was intelligent and wise to bind the far flung and diverse empire together under one set of beliefs and controls. He is probably one of the finest leaders Rome ever produced.
The selection of stories were written or revised until a esemblance of unity and order, as directed by the emperor, were produced. The intial release of the "Holy Bible" as it is called today became the foundation of the Church/Government that has ruled in some capacity, from total to partial rule to influence through today and forward.
This is a religion assembled by the learned men of that age (literacy was virtually unknown to all but the most wealthy and powerful) to unite the ignorant, illiterate, uneducated (I dislike this term) masses and control those societies behavior. Again I must compliment Ceasar Constantine's "genius".
Unfortunately, the myriad of flaws and pre-scientific absurd assumptions clearly denote that Man created this God, and the thousands of others scattered throughout human history...NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND !

So to my Conservative, fundamentalist, Evangelical Christian friend whose moment of pique started me on this journey to seek the truth of my convictions and resulted in my enlightenment of the truth that presented itself to me, thank you.maybe this expression of my journey will help someone else, maybe you, in their journey to real illumination.

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This was a huge reason for me finally leaving all religion behind in my 50s. None of it made sense. Once you use your brain, and actually think about it, it's ridiculous and none of it makes any sense.

The most confusing parts to me were

How to sell your daughter into slavery
Kill your son if he's disobedient
Kill your enemy's women and children during war
If you're a slave be content and don't try not to be a slave
Kill people for slightest sin but in other instances let people slide when they have murdered others like Moses and King David.
Rejoicing in the murder of others
I think that it was estimated that God killed 30 million people in the old testament

Also its pretty obvious that the God of the Old testament and the God of the New Testament are not the same god. It says in Bible that God doesn't change but He went from a Angry God to a pacifist god in the New Testament

@abyers1970 they change the story to meet their needs. And all of it written ages after "jesus" is dead.

@abyers1970. Yet throughout recorded history, while this God may have changed, and keep in mind that over 3,000 gods have come and gone over the ages of mankind, mankind's ego, anger, greed, jealousy and especially the will to kill for pleasure and gain has not changed one tiny little bit, continuing beyond cultures, societies, religions and learning.
Says a lot about the Mankind - god(s) relationship.

@abyers1970, @crazycat329 which makes the inference that Jesus may well have been a contrivance of the Constantine Roman Empire and created within the Nicene Conference.

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Church dogma makes no sense. Best to move on IMO.

The preacher will tell you that God uses what the world considers foolishness to confound the secular people so thats how they can rationalize the insanity

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You are not supposed to ask questions like that...it challenges church rhetoric.

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He is made up. The people who invented him. They wrote down their opinions of what they thought a God should be in a series of books and created religion.

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Maybe God suffers from a Trump complex.

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All of this is based on an assumption of his or her existence. Related to my question: why do people of faith give their god all of the credit for everything good but none of the blame for anything bad? Even if he created everything, including the stuff that would be bad!

Credit for everything bad...that is what the devil is for.

@dahermit whom "he" created!

@Stilltrying1964 Does it actually say that God created angles (and the devil) in the bible? I have a copy of the Constitution here on my desk, but no bible. 🙂
I am still working out, how many angles can dance on the head of a pin.

@Stilltrying1964 ...which really screws up the Adam and Eve in paradise fable...

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You are trying to use logic. That's not how religion works, logic is reserved for expert theologians, who make a good living, inventing ever more elaborate ways to explain the ever greater number of holes and faults, that you get in your world view, when you try to make the world fit the half remembered hallucinations of goat herders who had been eating the wrong mushrooms.

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