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As increasing numbers of US citizens self-identify as "without religion" in both red and blue states, when will they become politically organized and who will lead them????

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Secular Coalition for America is trying hard!


Aron Ra


I follow no one. I am an independent person. I will make up my own mind. I don't need someone to tell me how to think or act. And being organized implies the need of people to be part of a herd or flock or whatever. I will vote based upon my own ability.

xyz123 Level 7 Apr 14, 2019

No they will not, as they are spread across political perspectives from the extreme right to the extreme left.

wordywalt Level 8 Apr 14, 2019

Within our binary system … there’s only one choice left. But as the other side continues to use religion as a rallying cry or purity test, those on the other side continue to dance around the issue..

Varn Level 8 Apr 14, 2019

PZ Myers makes an eloquent case for why he believes atheism should be a social democratic movement and a lot more than just the absence of god. However he also recognises that this isn’t likely to happen while the political spectrum includes folks like me and the libertarians, or the folks who think they’re liberal but hate immigrants.

There is very little political consensus to be had there.


increased number is primarily because of parents. No need to form anything of a kind to waste time. What’s enough is not to oppress. Turkey maybe Muslim country, but doesn’t oppress atheism so secularism grows there too. Same in Lebanon


Browse this site a bit and you'll see why. I've had a few heated debates here on a wide range of political and philosophical topics. Thankfully, these were all friendly disagreements. But people uniting to form a political party just because we're agnostic/atheist is like every bald person uniting just because they have no hair.

Buxx Level 6 Apr 14, 2019

I very much doubt that non-believers or those who identify as not being of a religious frame of mind will ever form a political party, just like there's no Catholic Party or Jewish Party or Mormon Party or Islam Party. Why? Because the individuals who belong to either the "none" group or have a particular religious affiliation will differ drastically on mainstream political issues and policies.

johnprytz Level 7 Apr 14, 2019

Atheist becoming organized, sorry not a chance, it would be like trying to herd cats.

Novelty Level 8 Apr 14, 2019

Took the words right out of my mouth.

@BillF Allamanda said it first, I just didn't see it because I tend to answer then read, I was always a backwards child, my feet smelt and my nose ran.


You cannot define a group by what they are not - religious - and then try to treat them as if they were a contiguous body. It is in fact a fallacy to think of them as a coherent group at all, since the only commonality they share is a lack of one characteristic.

Denker Level 7 Apr 14, 2019

And a point I missed.

You do NOT need religion to be moral! Religion does NOT define what is right and what is wrong.


Firstly, the founders laid down, in writing, that there should be a separation between church and state.
Secondly, any person of intellect will cringe about having any person of religion in control of a potential nuklear strike.
Lastly, when "god" is mentioned, who's god?


Like all political movements, if it forms it will coalesce around a cause. But the cause will not be on "religious" or "non-religious" grounds.

Elganned Level 8 Apr 14, 2019

My participation in politics and government stemmed directly from non-religious grounds. Still does. But as one party has taken up the mantle of ‘their religion,’ the party I pal with fights over a multitude of real issues.. scattering their collective power to the wind ~


This tipping point idea doesn't really exist, does it? Most politically inclined people without a specific faith will simply continue join an existing structure, eg. Democrats or possibly Greens, regardless of their faith or lack of it. Nothing about being an atheist (and most nons/nones are not) precludes traditional politics. In most other modern countries this is obvious, I suppose it's harder to see in the US currently due to polarization and disaffection.

Allamanda Level 7 Apr 14, 2019

1.) That doesn't mean what too many want it to mean. All that means is that the nons (ie: non-affiliated) didn't choose a sect on the Census form. It does not mean non-relgious. Non-religious is "none" which, didn't even make it to it's own line item for 2017 or 18.
2.) The nons congregate/organize in their church of choice, or maybe they don't.
3.) Those of us that are nones don't organize in the traditional sense. This site, a convention maybe. There's no real reason to organize.


Religion ... pure and faultless is this: to help widows and orphans in need and avoiding worldly corruption. James 1:27

The more people become non-religious the more that people in need get neglected and government and worldy corruption runs rampant.

All people want to do is play video games, smoke dope and contimplate electron and protons going in circles while giving sarcasm praise and worship to non-existent flying spaghetti monster sky god.

Antifred Level 7 Apr 14, 2019

Is your whole comment sarcasm?

@snifflz It is what it is.

@snifflz The more you read of Antifred, the more you realize he's a Christian deist on an agnostic website. I've stopped trying to pick apart the "meaning" of his posts. I'm pretty sure they have none.

So many levels of wrong in your statement. It's like the olympics of wrong.

@Paul4747 Not Christian. I have eaten a Taco.

God defined as a word of open definition and usage, in that any person could give any usage or define it in any way, whether logical, provable, real, surreal or not.
There are some things labeled by this word that have more popularity than others. There are groups of people that give a certain definition to this word that the agree on and follow for that group. There are those that would say there is nothing in existence that this word would properly label.
There are those that do not have evidence for a reason to label anything with this word. There are those that could never know what to label with this word.

A very uncommon word for how it is used comes from Germanic origin of meaning to call or invoke and now in fact exist as a word in English spelt with the letters G, O, and D.

I created Taco God. Taco God is real. Taco God is a person. Any person that has eaten a taco is a Taco God. Tacos are real, people are real and people really eat tacos.
Taco God is not evidence for ANY OTHER GOD but it is in fact A God. And it only takes one God to give evidence that atheism is illogical by defination. Because atheism by defination says: no gods exist. Taco God is proven to exist.

Taco God is backed by peer reviewed text that has been peer reviewed for 1000s of years and the text is the most copied world record holding text of its kind. Taco God is real and really exist. Atheism Illogical.

I created Taco God. Taco God is a person. That person has eaten 1 taco in their life. Have you eaten a taco in you life? You then would be a Taco God. Millions and billions of taco gods exist because a lot of people has eated a taco. Taco God is everywhere, almost omnipresent even. Taco God knows almost everything, nearly omniscient, its just all split up into each individuals own minds relative to their perspective.

3 different references that people are Gods. With out disputing truth or fiction of Jesus character, it is written that Jesus style God argued that people are Gods.

Isaiah 41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

@Antifred Well, I'll tell you what. Out of your own mouth (or word processor) you have given sufficient evidence that you are a Christian, or at least share their beliefs.

You repeatedly post things like: "United States of America is the secret religion of the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers since their freedom from England July 4th, 1776 to rape this land from the original indigenous inhabitants calling them such as but not limited to Mexicans, Indians and native Americans requires the fulfillment of the biblical text in the establishment of the mark of the beast-666.

Beast is metaphor for laws of government.

Mark of the beast-666 is metaphor for laws of government requiring identification for taxation and government control.

Revelations 13:17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, ...

Capitalism (minimum) wage slave labor but with some of the most rights and freedoms for customer service and wage slave labors compared to history.

Everyone shall worship the devil and the beast-666 in God we trust. God bless America." The post is in this thread Origins . . . Religion, Law, and Government .

So you obviously believe in the existence of the Devil, by implication the existence of God, you constantly quote Xian scripture as if it has some deep meaning, particularly the above which you've posted variations of several times. I'm not saying you go to church, but you show clear signs of either being a Christian of some kind. Either that, or you're just a troll. I don't really care which. Judging by the way you flip-flop on your philosophy, I'm now leaning toward "troll".

@Paul4747 It is an understanding of biblical text that I have. I am not "Christian". I have my evidence for what I try to explain. I am not claiming all the details worked out, but, something of a hypothetical observation.

Dealing with a view of a "spirit", at best to call it. Seeing its evolution and changes thru out history.

Out if Egypt, thru Israel into Rome (Catholic) divided into denominations lost power as a world power Fallen into this bottomless pit called the universe. Then rising up out of the dark ages as enlightened ones, (lucipher means light bearer), Illuminati new world order.

Isaiah 19:25 LORD Almighty will bless them, saying, "Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance."

The "lord" (god) of israel is Egyptian?

Egyptian Pharaoh promised afterlife to good workers?

Hebrews 10:1 For the law(old testiment) having a shadow of good things to come, ...

Old testiment law. being laws to govern people and those laws in writing.

Old testiment times like a development, experiment stage of a "spirit" over the people testing and such.

Roman Catholic Failed as a world domination power with protestant movement dividing Jesus's kindgom of Christianity that was in Rome, not israel. It could be questioned, Jesus king of the Jews, why not set up in Israel, why Rome?

Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worship freedom from England July 4th, 1776 and the 400 years of building the secret religion most call United States of America and the establishment of the mark of the beast-666. Capitalism customer service minimum wage slave labor. The best and freest form of slavery to date. Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers have their secrets connected to Egypt pyramids on dollar bills to using Solomon's temple as part if their morals and dogma teachings stuff.

In Revelations metaphor such as beast is laws of government, mark of the beast-666 is laws of government requiring identification for taxation and government control.

Revelations 13:17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Revelations 11:7-8 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

We are in a bottomless pit called the universe, infinity of direction in every direction.

Adolph Hitler demon posessed by Jesus the christ christ lucipher the devil the good Shepard leading his sheep, the jews, to slaughter.

New world order capitalism slave labor and slaves to pay property tax, vehicle tax and living tax with out freedom to just be able to live a good peaceful life and hurry up and get it over with.


@Paul4747 No trolling, I can appreciate skepticism even from illogical atheist. Posting what I know and trying to get observations into words is a lot of what I do here. I consider this an informal site that I can post my observations and occasionally I get some people thst can make a logical observation if what I have posted. Most of the time i get illogical atheist comments of ad hominem attacks because illogical atheist brains are less evolved and cannot as easily understand complex concepts of understanding so they like to do what most evil wicked predictors like to do, attack.


@Paul4747 Wikipedia " evolutionary origin of religion " and "imagionary friend". After reading those you might understand that illogical atheist are lesser evolved, more monkey brain like and cannot as easily understand complex religions concepts.


@Paul4747 Thank you, he's blocked as of now, I'm tired of dumbshits.

There are aprox seven hundred and eight thousand words in the bible, do we have to have James 1:27 again, come on you can do better than that.

@Novelty Ever family of any note, needs a mad uncle in the attic.

@Fernapple They should find a word other than religion to describe or label spaghetti monster sarcasm worship.

@Antifred Fred, I understand completely. You need medical help.

@Fernapple @Paul4747

Nah - AntiFred’s fine. Fernapple has it about right there. Harmless eccentric, hey Fred? Bit if a bee in your bonnet about Free Masonry maybe?


Maybe they do not NEED a leader, they are their own source of power.

THHA Level 7 Apr 14, 2019

that'd be awfully wonderful


I have no desire to have atheists become politically organized, and I can't think of anyone who is qualified to lead.

KKGator Level 9 Apr 14, 2019

lucky since it'd be herding cats.

@Allamanda A short while ago, maybe a week or so, someone asked if atheists considered Bill Maher to be the "leader of the atheists".
I said that it wasn't likely, and if pressed, Maher would say "get the fuck outta here with that shit".
Given the garbage we have "governing" us now, I'm leaning toward anarchy as being a better way to go.

@KKGator I suppose it depends what your aims are? certainly advocating anarchy isn't going to accomplish anything useful to society as we know it, but then neither is any form of organization of atheists I can think of.

@Allamanda You beat me to the phrase.

@Allamanda I have little interest in accomplishing anything useful to society.
I have little use for society. I think most of society sucks.

@KKGator I suppose I'm the opposite, I think we each have a responsibility to society in proportion to our gifts and advantages. Mine have been many, so I take it very seriously.

@Allamanda You do you. I wouldn't dream of telling you, or really anyone else, how to live their lives, or what to think is important.
I admit to a certain level of misanthropy. I generally do not like people very much. I often think the planet would be better off if humans were gone from it.

@KKGator I'm sorry if I gave the impression of being critical, it wsn't meant that way, just that different viewpoints may lead to different conclusions. I don't like people much en masse either, that doesn't, as I see it, diminish MY responsibsibility.

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