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Almost two years ago, Dad was in hospice. He was 95 years old, living out his last moments. Called my brother to let him know. My brother said something along the lines of "I wish he had made peace with his maker before he passed". I said "right" or something like that, and hung up on him.

Later, my brother said something about me being testy with him. My brother and I had known Dad all our lives. Mom took us to church. Dad never went. Dad didn't believe. What was going to change on his death-bed?

If, as we had been taught in church, that Jesus had died for our sins, and God was all knowing etc, didn't Jesus die for Dad's sins too? Didn't "God" know Dad, if he had created him? WTF did it matter if Dad had made peace with his maker?

david75090 7 Mar 7
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'If you confess on the name of Jesus'...it's that confessing that is more important than...if God loves us, knows us, forgive us, unconditionally! Isn't that what the 'Almighty God' would do, according to Scriptures? At least in some of the passages! I am sorry to hear, that at a very important time, you and your brother, 'were not on the same page.'

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This is something that really bothers me. It’s always supposed to be the non-believer that buckles under to the believer. It gives them comfort. Your Dad was a non-believer and for once your brother should respect that. I’m getting to the age of facing my morality and have little patience for folks that just flat don’t respect my right to not believe. When I go they can give condolences to my wife and daughter and still respect the fact that I didn’t believe in their god. I won’t know the difference but it is just cruel to push unwanted beliefs at a time of grief on relatives.

gearl Level 8 Mar 7, 2018

Mom used to ask me, "who's going to preach at your service?". I told her I wouldn't be there to know.

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My dad's got a terminal illness at only 60 and is about to go into hospice. He was raised Catholic, and raised my brothers and I Catholic as well. I lost my faith around 15-16, and slowly brought my whole family into the light with me over the next five or so years.

It's made dad and I's relationship better, especially as things near the end, having a common perspective on death. It's probably harder, knowing I'll never see him again rather than getting to think we'll meet once more in the afterlife, but it also makes these last weeks we spend together more meaningful. We can talk frankly about things like donating his body to science which is something the extended Catholic family would likely be aghast at. Or give each other wry looks at all the thoughts and prayers cards he gets.

I hope you'll be able to talk sense into your brother one day. A shared secular view of the universe does wonders for a relationship.

Sorry about your dad. I'm in my sixties and feel like it's way too young, but we go when we go.

My brother won't think any differently. He follows his wife's beliefs. He will never think any differently.

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Guess it was important to your brother-more important for survivors of the patients family usually.

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I wouldn't worship any god that would send one of my loved ones to hell, for eternity, just because they didn't see any evidence to support that so called god's existence.
I'd have to be a complete narcissist to enjoy the pleasures of Heaven, while knowing that my loved ones are burning in Hell. That's just brutal nonsense!

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Sorry for your loss...It's so sad that many of our family members D ont realize we were indoctrinated at such an early age....I hope he opens his eyes and realizes that he should enjoy the little time he has on this rock ...

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My sister's the same way. I think I understand your frustration with this. If your Dad was not a believer , then he would not believe in sin either, or going to "meet his maker". He likely died more at peace than many who wallow in guilt right up to their end !

Condolences on your loss ...

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Your brother has allowed his religious delusions to alter his understanding of reality.
The reality was that your father wasn't a believer.
Sorry for your losses, both of them.

After my dad died, I asked my step-mom if it was hard for her to be married to an atheist for so many years. She said “No - because I don’t believe he was atheist.”

He was card carrying.

@BlueWave It never ceases to amaze (and appall) me how so many people can be in such abject denial of reason. What's worse is that they have no inkling how hurtful their denial can be to those of us who know better.

Dad had just gone. I was maybe two steps away from him. I don't know what I was expecting from my brother, but not that. Dad was beyond worrying about it and I wasn't going to worry about it. But I WAS going to be annoyed by some crap like that.

It really hacked me off at the time and I had forgotten about it. For some reason I remembered it today, and it hacked me off again.

@KKGator I am not surprised you would know exactly how that comment affected me. I found it disrespectful to my dad.

@BlueWave That's because it WAS.

@BlueWave isn't it strange how people will just refuse to believe the truth as it appears right before them?

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