Basically, I agree.

Sorry, but I disagree. See my replies to various others.

@tnorman1236 What do you base this on? I have been around too many musicians, and wanna be musicians, painters and wanna be painters (that would be me), and I know for a fact not everyone has it in them, and those who do, have it to varying degrees. It is a very wrong statement. I go by experience not some borderline woo statement.

@Sticks48 I'm a musician and writer myself, and have played with lots of musicians good and bad, and still, what I mean is that the feeling and essence is there, but not the skill. Of course not everyone can write like Shakespeare or Beethoven, but if it wasn't in us somewhere, we couldn't identify with those expressions at all. And yes, some people have it buried to the point of seeming nonexistence, but I still believe it's there, because it is part of what life is.

@tnorman1236 I have known people who are not moved in anyway by music or art of any kind. They exist everywhere. So we all have a serial killer inside, or a rapist. That is the logical conclusion to this argument. I just don't buy it.

@Sticks48 We all have darkness in us. What allows it to fester and grow is the belief so many have that it is an aberration. That it is not part of all humans. It is. We deny it and ignore the causes of it. Abuse, bullying, poverty. We worship the idea of the individual rising above but they all do so with others help. The same with our talents we want to believe that we are special, unique, the exception. We worship celebrities and sport stars above all others. But for all their talent they are still only human, we are still only human. How many commit evil or ignore it while saying this is not me, I am not this. Stress, injury, an event of random tragedy and we could all fall. It happens and yes many claw their way back. But others do not. The homeless man on the street, the veteran fighting the demons of a unjust unneeded war. Kindness is the hardest thing in the world, especially kindness returned in the face of hate. Who are you to judge others. Do you play every kind of music ever conceived, do you sit with these people and work to awaken them to music or do you discount them as they do not are not moved by your music? Are they your muse or just a passing assumption? Absolutes in human perception is a lie.

That's not her meaning. She means that the thing that came from Shakespeare and from Beethoven is something that is in all of us, they are just the ones that were capable of expressing it.

@tnorman1236 Thanks for the explanation.

@tnorman1236 ..... or "Collectively, there is no individual or deity. There is only the achievement of mankind"

@tnorman1236 if she meant should say so not beat around the bush that is what is wrong with the book of fiction it is written so it does not much of anything

That's not her meaning. She means that the thing that came from Shakespeare and from Beethoven is something that is in all of us, they are just the ones that were capable of expressing it.

@tnorman1236 I know what she meant, but I disagree with her. The world is not a work of art, that in itself implies design and I don’t believe there is. Yes there is a connectivity between all humans, that I do agree with, but some individuals are capable of the most extraordinary accomplishments, others are not. It’s not true to say that what these creative geniuses gave us could have been replicated by any other human being, that it’s in all of us, because it isn’t. Some people can transform the lives of the rest of us, and have generously left their gifts behind for posterity...in that respect their music and poetry is in common ownership, the same with other great creators of art, sculpture etc., but let us recognise them by giving them the credit.

@Marionville If it wasn't in us, we couldn't respond so fully to it. It would just be some alien noise. Of course "anyone" couldn't replicate it, but we can feel it, it is in us, in whatever disguised form.

@Gwendolyn2018 I understand all that, and agree to a certain point. We can all have the ability to feel and be part of this tapestry that is human life, we are all like the connective tissue of a larger whole. However I disagree that we are all born with the same ability to create something beautiful, borrowed or otherwise. Some people have the ability to bring joy to others, others sadly do the opposite, both are part of the human condition. Nature is wonderful I agree, and I understand the patterns are not random. I do understand too that playwrights and other authors of music and literature have borrowed liberally from earlier works, I just mean that I couldn’t have produced such masterpieces, even with that knowledge of the past, I don’t have that creative ability to do so. I know nobody stands alone, I never suggested that was the case.

"Yeah well, I'm not afraid of her."

That's not her meaning. She means that the thing that came from Shakespeare and from Beethoven is something that is in all of us, they are just the ones that were capable of expressing it.

That's not her meaning. She means that the thing that came from Shakespeare and from Beethoven is something that is in all of us, they are just the ones that were capable of expressing it.

@tnorman1236 Is that like the book we all have inside of us that should stay inside us?

It was from an essay of hers. That's all I can remember at the moment, because I don't have the article in front of me.

Me neither!

That's not her meaning. She means that the thing that came from Shakespeare and from Beethoven is something that is in all of us, they are just the ones that were capable of expressing it.

@Marionville That's not her meaning. She means that the thing that came from Shakespeare and from Beethoven is something that is in all of us, they are just the ones that were capable of expressing it.

@tnorman1236 you have repeated again what I replied to above. I don’t agree with her conclusion that this creative ability is in all of us.

@Marionville See my later reply to you. Of course we all don't have that creative ability, but we have the feeling and the meaning inside of us. If we didn't, Shakespeare and Beethoven would mean nothing to us.

@tnorman1236 I can agree on that,

@tnorman1236 It was a JOKE, based on her social life and the play.
See my input, further up, on the meaning of her words.

That's not her meaning. She means that the thing that came from Shakespeare and from Beethoven is something that is in all of us, they are just the ones that were capable of expressing it.

@tnorman1236 I don’t know that we all have it in us to be Beethoven or Shakespeare

@sandrarocks83 We don't. It's in there, we just don't all have the talent or ability to express it. That's why it rings true to us.