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Amisja 8 May 30

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Her appeal, on freedom of religion grounds, was flawed by not accepting freedom FROM religion as having been violated.


I don't see anything the matter with what she did if she was not pushing herself upon them. She was obviously just asking them as a way of comforting them. Sacking her was bullshit. I hope she sues for wrongful termination. One of the reasons that nurses are the most admired profession in the states is because of the kindness and empathy they show their patients.

She did push her religion onto people and our contracts clearly state we are not allowed to cross professional boundaries. She did pursue wrongful dismissal which was rejected. She had a restriction placed on her registration too. Any more and she'd be struck off. It isn't kind to demand people confess and ask for forgiveness on their death bed. This is a broadly secular country and it is rare to encounter religious people. It is cruel to put that onto dying people. I think they made the right decision.

@Amisja well then we agree. Maybe you should have put some of these underlying facts in your post so readers would have something upon which to base their decision.

@mooredolezal oops sorry

@Amisja no problem. You immediately picked up on the fact that I made my approval conditional so I don't know who you were writing to! LOL


??? Don't know

Open othrr link


Don't know, I'm not a member of the web site and am not inclined to become one and risk yet more junk mail.

I linked a better story at the bottom

Its a paid membership and you have to be a nurse

@Amisja Thanks.


I think the court did the right thing. If I was sick and offered to pray for me it would be stressful and probably delay my healing.


Given the history she’s clearly proud of being a martyr to her faith and doesn’t give a monkeys about her patients... good decision to bar her.


Once upon a time, an anthropologist was visiting a tribe of New Guineans, and got to observe a 'witch-doctor' treating his patients. The patient would lay down on a straw mat, and the shaman would dance around them, chanting incantations, and shaking his skull rattles. Afterwards, the anthropologist asked the shaman if he thought his treatment actually worked. No, the shaman replied. But so long as the patient BELIEVED it had done him some good, that was all that mattered.


Why not just sprinkle them with holy water?

Exactly. It isn't acceptable. We are professionals.


I had an agency health care assistant try to exorcise a lady with psychosis...seriously 'power of christ' and all that. I ran her off the ward!


I had this happen to me. I'm uncomfortable with a medical professional telling me to have a blessed day. I would talk to that person one-on-one.

(It never got this far) But I would report and complain about a medical professional pushing their religion on me.


Despite her religious beliefs this is clearly a case of insubordination.

Well no actually...I know this is different in the States but British nurses are autonomous practitioners and consequently responsible for their own activities. They break the rules (as she did repeatedly) then they must defend their actions. I have broken rules to benefit patients and this has been accepted. In fact, I changed the rules at a Trust level. We have a clear mandate not to cross a professional boundary and attempt to instill our own beliefs onto patients. Indeed this includes political beliefs. I have struggled with this in the past because as rather a vocal leftie, I have had to keep my views to myself.


Nothing about preaching religion benefits a medical condition. She was told to stop doing it several times and stated that she would stop and didn't That is the definition of insubordination.

@Bierbasstard We work autonomously. There is no such a thing. Had she proven that what she did benefited patients she would have been ok. Our contract is with the British public not the managers.


She was employed and dismissed. She was warned by the employer to stop, ""What was considered to be inappropriate was for the Claimant [Ms Kuteh] to initiate discussions about religion and for her to disobey a lawful instruction given to her by management."

Again, that is insubordination and grounds for dismissal. Her contract was with Dartford and Gravesham NHS Trust.

Are we reading the same article? 😉

@Bierbasstard Yes I know the story well. I am also a British nurse. We work for the British public (who pay us) but are broadly managed by Trusts. However, I have gone against Trust policy at times (always for the good of patients) and informed my managers I have done so. The proof is with patient welfare, as long as that is proven then you are ok. Insuboardination is just not a thing in UK. Honestly, I live here. Here is an example for you: A patient came in with his wife and mother. The family (including 4 small children) were all very hungry. We only are supposed to provide meals to patients but I fed them all. I emailed my manager and told her why and stated which policy I had broken. My manager replied, 'cool thanks for letting me know love Sue'. Yes it was against the rules but I was not disciplined as my contract with the public was not harmed. This woman cannot say the same.


Breaking rules isn't insubordination. What you did was see through the guidelines and chose to help people in need. I always enjoy reading your stories.

@Bierbasstard Thank you.



Actually this is a better link. She has been removed from the nursing register now.

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