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This is so sad. LA rat infestation and homelessness [latimes.com]

ToolGuy 9 June 1
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It didn't get that way through people dropping litter, but is very easy to solve

  1. If you get caught dumping rubbish you are fined and get to clean up a much bigger area - and if a vehicle is used it is confiscated, sold and the proceeds used to fund more clean up
  2. someone living on the street - move them to a designated area - if they are claiming social payments, make them collectable 20 miles away - disperse the campers.
  3. arrest everyone, for whatever legal excuse you have and fine them - if they can't or don't want to pay - they get to join a clean up crew
    4 start killing the rats on an industrial scale

@ToolGuy do youhave another solution?
what is wrong with ensuring the dumpers clean it up

@ToolGuy Oppressed? had bad luck, bad times, but they choose to be on the streets at that particular place - all I am saying is give them somewhere sanitary and controlled in a place away from the existing problem
people are living on the streets where local tax paying residents don't want them, so the authorities have a duty to place them into safe accommodation...I have seen this done by converting disused buildings like empty shops or offices into cheap temporary housing
seperately - the story says that business owners are driving there and dumping food waste - so identify them and make getting caught very costly - then that will stop

And what is your proposal to solve the problem?

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Being homeless is not mental illness although some do end up there also because of despair. Being homeless is caused IMHO by people believing the lies of financial institutions who have you taking out more loans than you can repay. Once you are on the streets and homeless the living conditions are right for the spread of disease. Vermin become a big problem and they carry disease.

Some want to tackle this by giving the homeless a house. That seems like too close to how theirs got taken away to me. Greed is causing unpayable debt that causes homelessness. I'm sure it is not the only reason but it is a great big part of it. Vermin infestations caused great concern in our past and nobody knew what the cause was. Today we know but does anybody care?

@ToolGuy "Many other causes" usually point back to this obsession with money that is being pushed on all of us in today's world. Nobody wanted to be homeless. I'm sure everyone thought they could handle it til the bottom fell out.

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City halls are good at bottlenecking good proposals.

Didn't the city go after coyotes a couple years ago? They had became vermins worst enemies.

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The problem most likely will not get addressed until a major health epidemic breaks out that crosses socioeconomic boundaries. Whether it be typhoid fever, or even a strain of black plague carried on rodents infested with fleas or other parasites. Its not too unbelievable that a modified strain of one of the major infectious diseases hits LA.

You are absolutely correct. There will be a health crisis. It's a ticking time bomb.

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That was a horrifying but necessary read. I don't understand why politicians can't find a way to deal with the homeless population, which is the culprit for the spread of this problem.

In my own small town, the homeless have taken over the river area, the walkway path that is supposed to add health and vibrance to the community, and now the parking lots of Lowe's and Home Depot. People can be seen defacating in those parking lots.

The answer? It's not putting them in government housing or providing them with more services. It has become a lifestyle that's tolerable for them and they want the freedom that lifestyle offers. Meanwhile, our towns and cities suffer. It's a major health crisis looming too.

@ToolGuy I spoke to a number of homeless recently. I asked what lead to their homelessness. Their answer was consistently substance abuse.

I'm not saying everyone wants to live on the streets. That wouldn't be true. I am a democratic socialist and it pains me to say that most homeless really do embrace the lifestyle and want to keep it.

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