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Cutting girl's genitals is beyond justifiable. anyone supporting the ideas of these people is evil.

I refuse to compromise my belief in equal rights for women, by using the primary concept of tolerance, without limits, for any special interests.

Especially a religious group's expectation of special treatment.

Making women live in black bags, in the desert, is beyond tolerable.

JacarC 8 June 13
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Fun fact: Ilhan Omar once voted against a bill to criminalize FGM in the state of Minnesota. So woke!

Lets see that source.

@Amisja [m.startribune.com]

@TheDarkNolanite This is the opposite to what you suggest.

The muslims object, and americans start to give in. Pass the law. Federally will be best. And then deport everyone involved with this. Keep the girls here.

Not just her. How can anyone object to this? Religion. This should not be tolerated anywhere.

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We're actually not far off from being able to regrow genital tissues through stem cell transplant, so the days of the people who still pull this kind of barbaric shit are numbered. This is a practice which has been undertaken in the most extreme forms of Christianity and islam (surprise, surprise) for centuries, and I'm glad to see that it's victims will soon have a way to reverse what was done to them and have the opportunity to enjoy fulfilling sex lives.

As for those black bags you're referring to, they're called burkas, and they're designed to keep the desert sun off of the skin and wick away moisture. But the next time you're in the desert, you're welcome to wear a pair of Bermuda shorts and a Pacifico t-shirt. Go ahead. See what it gets you.

Are you seriously defending the goddamn burka? It’s the very definition of the subjugation of women.

@TheDarkNolanite Not necessaily

@Amisja Yes it is. Stop being such a regressive leftist.

@TheDarkNolanite

I guess I really don't see why I even need to defend a piece of clothing designed to protect the wearer in extremely hot and dry climates. It seems to me like having to defend a female Eskimo for wearing an anorak to stay warm in a brutally cold climate.

But people seem to find the weirdest things to loose their shit over. So, yes. Here I am wasting a perfectly nice sunrise before heading off to work defending the burka. Kinda messed up.

@webbew1 It’s a portable sensory deprivation chamber. You do realize that Muslim women are FORCED by their shithole cultures to wear it, right? If it’s “to protect the wearer from extremely hot climates,” then why don’t MEN wear it?

@TheDarkNolanite

They do. The men's version is called a thobe.

@webbew1 But it doesn’t cover their face to “preserve their modesty” and shame and punish them as filthy whores if they want to take it off.

@TheDarkNolanite Excuse me? You do not know me. I am not a leftist. I am a socialist. Burkhas are cultural. Not always forced and a really sensible garment in dusty environments.

@Amisja “Reallly sensible”? Tell that to the women who are FORCED to wear them! Jesus titty-humping Christ, you just love falling for Islamist propaganda, don’t you?

Burkas: show me the men wearing black bags in the desert.
Totalitarian. Evil.

@TheDarkNolanite

Yes, there are some Muslim fanatics who twist the intended use of the garment to their own ends. However, that does not make the garment itself evil any more than wearing my Iron Maiden t-shirt makes me a Satanist.

@webbew1 Thank you for your contributions. It is amazing how many "atheists" apologize for islam. Totally anti-female. They have no idea what they are doing.

@webbew1 This is not normal. This has no place in the 21st Century. Stop making excuses for this medieval barbarism in the name of “tolerance, diversity, and multiculturalism.” You’re a sicko.

@TheDarkNolanite

THAT is perfectly normal in a dry, 120 degree climate where direct exposure to sunlight will freaking KILL you.

And this discussion has never been about "tolerance, multiculturalism and diversity". Please indicate in any of my posts in this thread where I brought that up.

@webbew1 No. It is not normal. STOP falling for Islamist propaganda. The burka is textbook definition religious depravity. These are cultures where women are KILLED if they want to take it off. Stop defending that garbage.

@webbew1 So, why is is happening north of the hot-zone? oppression is the only response.

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I agree that FGM is an abhorrent practice but it is more cultural than religious and predates Islam.

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The problem is Jacar that you are misinformed and place your hatred of religion soley at the feet of one faith...Islam. in fact all religions have extreme ideas. Jewish women shave their heads and wear wigs. Some ultra ultra orthodox women wear an extreme full head and facial covering. Head covering is endemic amongst lots of separatist christian groups. Extreme cruelty to women is common in JWs and groups like the Plymouth Brethern.
FGM (of which I am trained to recognise, record and treat) is a completely non religious activity and is entirely based in African countries. It was widely wiped out with the influx of EU Christians but has returned mostly to NE African countries. As for head coverings in the desert. Well where should I start? Other to say, Have you ever been in a sandstorm??

A Moges - African Women Organization, 2009 - pdfs.semanticscholar.org

Amisja Level 8 June 14, 2019

The burka is the most demented thing on the face of the planet. If it’s really to protect from sandstorms, then why don’t MEN wear it too? Stop defending the subjugation of women!

@TheDarkNolanite Erm men do! Burkhas are worn by relatively few Muslim women. Most women I know who were headdresses choose to.

@Amisja And where exactly are all these burka-clad men with their faces entirely covered and everything?

@TheDarkNolanite [google.com]

@TheDarkNolanite headscarves are entirely cultural. Lots and lots of women wear scarves throughout history.

Cutting girls is wrong. This is happening in michigan, and minnesota,....
Any support of these people is evil.

@Amisja Females in lansing are covered except for their face and hands. From 5 years old. While the men wear shorts. This is fucked.
Defending such shit means you are not thinking about the women.

Increasingly it is clear you are an islamic apologist: Anti-women, anti-democracy. Therefore you are an enemy of the US constitution.
Someday you will have a moment of clarity.

@Jacar I am British and a woman! The US constitution is pretty meaningless to me. I did not enjoy living in USA and escaped back home.

@Jacar FGM is absolutely abhorrent and to me so is male circumscision. It is haraam for males to wear shorts in Islam and no, to be honest I do not like to see children in headscarves. It is not required in the Qoran and is entirely cultural. The problem for me is that you are extrapolating the practices of some minor groups to all Muslims. That is not accurate. I am an atheist. I do not believe in god. However I live amongst Muslim people and to be honest I do not recognise this hateful portrayal of this particular group. FGM is an African cultural practice that predates all Abrahamic religions. It is a dreadful practice and with education it is on the decline. It has spread to Western countries with the natural movement of people. Some of the FGM victims I have encountered were Muslim but they were all African (Somali). I have seen the damage this practice does and wish we could confine it to history like foot binding and skull elongation.
I am not an apologist, I do not believe in god. The end. I do not believe it is my role to protylise to believers, I accept people as they are. I have Muslims friends, a Jewish ex hubby, Christian friends and even a number of Pagan friends. Everyone knows I am an atheist and they are all cool with it. You should try turning off fox news and read some decent academic literature.

@Amisja WRONG!!!!!!!! 200 million women are required to live like this.

In the US there are muslim women everywhere covered except for their face and hands, while their "man" wears shorts.

Stop being an imbecile about this. These people are completely anti-women's rights.

@Amisja Given the state of insanity in the UK eroding personal rights, you should be all about the US constitution. The first declaration of continuation personal freedom. Just like the first and second world wars, the US stands for freedom.

@TheDarkNolanite, @Amisja . . . How many millions of oppressed women is acceptable to you? Be ashamed.

@Jacar That is not accurate. Please include an academic sources:
Do Muslim women really need saving? Anthropological reflections on cultural relativism and its others
Lila Abu‐Lughod
American anthropologist 104 (3), 783-790, 2002
The Muslim Woman
Lila Abu-Lughod
Online Version, consultado el 31, 2006
Islamophobia, fear of loss of freedom, and the Muslim woman
Susan Carland
Islam and Christian–Muslim Relations 22 (4), 469-473, 2011

[hypatiareviews.org]

I linked the last one, please read it. If you have an evidenced counter-argument, please source it.

@Jacar Thats just ridiculous. Eroding rights? Where do you get your information?

@Amisja Cultural relativism is a disease. Some cultures ARE inferior to others. Stop pretending like cultures which practice FGM and stuff women into burkas have any place in the 21st Century.

@TheDarkNolanite wow...setiously

@Amisja Again, the apologist. Be ashamed.

@Amisja, @TheDarkNolanite Thank you for your reason.

@TheDarkNolanite, @Amisja 700 million women subjected to oppression. Time to buy a vowel.

It is supported by muslims. and is shit. no other response is reasonable.

@Jacar You are racist.

@Amisja It is NOT racist to criticize a religion.

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