There is much evidence linking mass murder with psychiatric drugs.
Why is there not more discussion of this?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.I never heard that before, I know the Las Vegas shooter was a heavy user of Klonopin, and he showed typical signs of psychosis that are linked to the use of Benzodiazepines; do you know of other shooters who had this problem.
DavidNoel
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Aug 7, 2019
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There’s a lot about it online. Here’s a list that looks reliable.
I was just looking at that site I referred you to and it argues just the opposite of what I thought.
There are sites that argue both ways, but my confidence is shaken. I am now leaning away from the idea that psychiatric drugs are a major cause of mass murder.
@WilliamFleming They may not cause people to become mass murders, but I think that they have a destructive influence over all.
The problem isn't actually the drugs. It is the lack of follow-up care and counseling. The consequences to taking SSRI's and antipsychotics have been known for some time, but just like chantrix they are prescribed anyway to treat the imbalance. Incidents like they speak of here are supposed to be caught in follow-up and counseling. Our problem is lack of funding locally, state, and nationally in the area of mental services and horrid coverage in the area by insurance.
JeffMesser
Level 8
Aug 5, 2019
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Talk to kids from when they are small, and as teenagers let them start to drink beer, have safe sex, steadily ease into living a normal life and they may not get quite so screwed up. Talking therapies always work better than medication
ShadowAmicus
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Aug 5, 2019
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I agree wholeheartedly.
Psychiatric drugs? What rubbish science. There are 100s of medications for mental health conditions and 100s of ways to take each one. For serious conditions such as schizophrenia caution and hopefully careful monitoring should follow each and every prescription. I can see a potential link with some antidepressants due to their well documented conditions in the young. However again, early monitoring, talking therapies and later age of prescriptions cuts any concerns down to virtually zero. In UK we do not prescribe under 25.
Amisja
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Aug 5, 2019
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7.5% of American children were prescribed the drugs in 2014. That could be the root of our problem.
Okay, so let's say there is a link. What should be done about it? Considering we currently have an administration that wants to dismantle healthcare including mental health care. One SHOULD be under the care of a doctor while on psychotropic medications because they are not a one size fits all solution. How can that be done if health care is so difficult to get for some people. Now, in some cases, it looks like the withdrawal from the medication was a problem so the person stopped taking it, probably without the doctor knowing. Perhaps it was a case of the wrong medication (this happens, some of the medications can actually make depression worse). Again, supervision by a health care professional trained on these types of medications is important. We have people returning from a war mentally damaged. There are other situations where people for one reason or another are on these medications. So, let's say that there is a link between the two, what should happen? We're still not addressing some of the other issues, the heavy use of guns in the US, the lack of mental health care in this country, the lack of veterans' care in this country for those coming back from the decades' long war we've been fighting. It very well could be a piece of the puzzle but all of those pieces have to be addressed.
SimplyJaneen
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Aug 4, 2019
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One option might be the outright ban of some or all of the drugs for new patients, or severe limits on dosages. There is some concern that the drugs are ineffective anyway although in some cases they make unruly people easier to control, at least temporarily. At the same time, I’m sure that many people rely on the drugs and it would not be possible or desirable for them to stop usage.
If it is determined that society simply cannot do without these drugs, then at least, for new prescriptions, there could be laws requiring an inspection to ensure that the proposed user did not have access to deadly weapons for the duration of usage. In other words, you would need a license to take the drugs, Such a step might burden many people unnecessarily.
It is a difficult question.
@WilliamFleming Do you know anyone on antidepressants? I don't think you are aware of how, when the correct medication is found, they can be a life saver for someone who struggles with depression and other mental illnesses. However, guns kill. Guns are created for the sole purpose of killing and no other reason. Let's make it harder for people to access guns before we deny medications that for many are helpful.
@SimplyJaneen Have to agree on that one. I have been on anti- depressant medication for about 12 years. It’s a chemical thing rather than psychological so for me therapy won’t solve that problem (probably would others, but that’s a different question!)
@SimplyJaneen I know one person who is open about using an anti-depressant and he depends on that very much.
Most guns are intended for hunting, and hunting is very ingrained in our culture. Also a lot of people just like guns, which I relate to but don’t know why. I agree that it should not be possible for violence-prone people to legally own firearms.
Why is there not more discussion of banning assault weapons?
Bobbyzen
Level 8
Aug 4, 2019
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because gun nuts like to argue that any gun will do the same thing ... which is bull. An AK47 with a standard round manages a muzzle velocity of over 2,300 ft/sec while a 12 gauge shotgun slug may hit 1,600 with no range and a 9mm Glock achieves just over 1,000 ft/sec. Talk to any trauma surgeon and they'll tell you the comparisons aren't even close. If they're shot with a pistol most live ... with an AK-47 the damage is tremendously worse and they will likely die.
@JeffMesser the discussion has to come from the grassroots demanding our electeds to legislate the ban.
There is continuous talk about banning assault weapons but this subject has been swept under the rug.
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