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Just as an fyi, there is NO way 45 can actually DO anything about overturning the 14th Amendment.
He cannot sign an Executive Order to end "birthright citizenship".
He just can NOT.

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Regardless of what that orange shitstain believes, he has NO power to change the US Constitution.

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KKGator 9 Aug 22
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Problem is, US institutions have proven to be so weak (and revealed to the world) over the Trump period, I don't think anything is impossible, especially with Trump's enablers, legal and political, who seem determined to bring about white nationalist rule to the US.

The insipid Meuller report, after all the huffing and puffing and claims about what a great "institutionalist" he is, was the last straw for me, though I predicted it here months before and was mauled for it.

What a Kabuki show your politics is, and poor Kabuki at that. Sad to say.

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Here's the thing; if enough spineless shitbags in Congress support him, who's to say how it could play out? Amendments can be repealed, amended, whatever. Granted it's very rare but it has happened when they repealed prohibition.

Yes, but there are a number of procedures which must be observed first.
My point was that 45 cannot simply just fire off an Executive Order to
accomplish it.

@KKGator Theoretically, no, he can't but I've learned not to assume anything where this massively corrupt administration is concerned. I've lost track of all the ways the Rs in power have compromised their oaths of office in support ofr whatever that orange trainsreck wants to do.

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That is correct. A new constitutional amendment would have to be passed to repeal the 14th amendment. I cannot see it being passed and ratified by two-thirds of the states.

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Agree but he can change a thousand rules around it with executive orders. That can make a huge difference. Obama did many many executive orders, DACA is just one example when he realized that the Congress will not go along.

His talking about this is just for his base and to motivate it for 2020. Nothing more.

That's very much what I expect -- let alone am afraid of.

tRump will talk to his base and as usual actually do almost nothing. But the opportunistic grifters that have been allowed to infiltrate our government will -- especially the judiciary -- push to allow a huge list of 'small' changes.

This episode will be about discrimination. But there're also environmental, economic, social issues, etc. The list of damaged items will be effectively endless.

@RichCC
What we do is take Trump seriously at every turn. We forget that he is media savvy, he knows how to use media without having to advertise and just creating a controversy, debate or just news to flash headlines across the nation.

Trump often throws things out sometimes just to test out the feedback in the political pundit circles, TV talking heads, opinion pages and public in general, Sometimes it is just holding red meat to his base to energize them for 2020. Sometimes it is a distraction from things that people could pay more attention to that he does not want us to... such as Democrat Nader's investigations. He steals headlines by creating newsworthy trash talking.

He is a man who used TV Media to make money by creating an outlandish show where he insulted people and created a persona of a man who succeeded in business phenomenally while his businesses were heavily debt ridden and been through bankruptcies 2 times. I have not seen any president who has played both conservative and liberal media as well as Trump has. FDR comes close in the radio and newly minted TV days.

@St-Sinner I completely agree. I recently read a piece (you seem well read -- I'll bet you saw it too). that described tRump as having no plans at all. He just makes statements and listens to the reactions they generate -- irrespective of things actually getting done.

He said Mexico would pay for the wall when it was obvious they never would.
He said we would buy Greenland when it was clear the mechanisms to execute the sale are unlikely to the point of being impossible.
He said Kim was giving up N Korea's nuclear weapons when it was apparent that Kim would not and had no reason to.
Again, the list goes on and on.

What bothers me more than anything else is the kleptocracy(kakistocracy?) accumulating around tRump -- McConnell, Miller, the SCOUS, the lower judiciary, the EPA, et.al. -- another long list.
It will take decades to repair the damage if we ever do.
And the progressives trying to move in will have their own agendas too -- which of course rank-and-file politician-haters will oppose.
All-in-all we have created a very unpleasant situation for ourselves and I'm afraid that it's just beginning and I doubt I'll live long enough to see the end.

@RichCC
I spent 18 years in New York when I followed three men very closely:

  1. Michael Bloomberg
  2. Ed Koch
  3. Donald Trump

I remember every media move he made, every late night talk show, every controversy with Ed Koch, his public spats, his media savvy, every divorce of Donald J Trump. Everything comes together when I am seeing him as President. The same tactics, same use of media to make headline news. Two things still are vivid in my mind:

  1. He fucking never went to church. He was not religious. Never mentioned it. You will not find any news, any photos of young or middle age Trump going to church. Now he hugging the Bible and saying it is his most favorite book in the world.
  2. He was Pro Choice and never and not even close a Republican. He mostly mingled in the Democrat crowd of New York City and the State in Albany.

All of his wave-making talking and creating controversies are for a reason and with a purpose which books will be written about years later..

@St-Sinner
I'll have to take your word for it. I lived pretty much my whole life in the west and mostly the rural west at that. Just from what I've seen of tRump I'd have guessed that is only claim to fame was that his base impulses unfortunately match up far too well with the base impulses of so much of our selfish, ignorant population. I'd have bet that whatever planning he'd ever done depended a lot on vague statements that he couldn't be held to later. As I get so tired of hearing him say -- 'I guess we'll see how it turns out'. I didn't credit him with the ability to plan that message resonating -- I thought he just happened to get away with it.

I was thinking that tRump and his cabal of opportunistic grifters were results of the paranoia spread by Fox 'news' and right wing radio. And again unfortunately, our voters have let them become so entrenched that removing them will be extremely difficult.
I thought our current predicament was more coincidence than planning -- we were ready for a short-sighted, stupid government so that's what we got.

The trouble is that I don't see a way out. Maybe I'm too much a pessimist. For the near future I don't like any of our current choices except that they aren't the extraction-economy money-grubbers that pass for republicans these days.

@RichCC

Since you lived in rural America I have a question for you. They talk about the silent majority in inner America that rose to vote for Trump in 2016. Is that what you noticed around you? Is rural America around you... conservative, church going and nationalist?

@St-Sinner

I can only speak for what I've been exposed to but yeah -- I'd have to say that's what happened in 2016 at least.
There were a lot of work-a-day people that were uncomfortable with Clinton and weren't sophisticated enough to look beyond 'he likes white people' and 'he said he'll cut my taxes' and 'he'll appoint judges that'll overturn Roe v. Wade'. At least that's what I saw in rural AZ and WA. I personally think that's a lot of what gave us tRump -- a lot of voters with one or two issues that they'd have trouble justifying if they were asked -- except that everybody knows Abortion and Taxes are bad.

They wanted to kick out the established politicians and start over. Naïvety, thy name is America.

And of course there was a lot of 'Democrats are bad' just look at the black guy and the woman they want.

I do think another part of our electoral problem was that so many Senate seats being contested in 2016 and 2018 were Democrats. I hope that 2020 will be different -- but I know there are big red areas of our country.

@RichCC
Thank you.

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My ability to disbelieve what he can do was suspended when he got elected. I just don't know anymore.

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Vote his ass out!

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The 22nd Amendment is the one Trump would most like to overturn!

Yeah, he can't do that either.

Ironically, I believe if 22nd falls so will 1st and 2nd.

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It's for consumption by his base, nothing more. He's race baiting to get the racists behind him before the recession hits.

1of5 Level 8 Aug 22, 2019

You're right, of course.
It's the white supremacists who are guiding public policy these days.
45 is such a fucking racist piece of shit.

@KKGator sad thing is it'll work on a large % of them.

45 is an extension of a large swath of people who are fucking racist shits, and they've been controlling policy for a long, long fucking time. 3/5ths of a person ring any bells?

I so want to like people more than I do. Why is it they make it so goddamned hard for me to like them? Fucking asshats.

Just like him mentioning Obama umpteen times. That was for the Black President haters. Also he was trying to shame Jewish people into voting for him. That will work against him since he was echoing the Third Reich with that little bit of inanity. Overall, I think he just looked insane with his Chopper Talk on Wednesday.

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Being pedantic, he CAN. But it would be as unauthoritative as signing one decreeing the compulsorily purchase Greenland.

He has no legal status to effect any changes to the Constitution.
Whatever his mental illness is telling him has no bearing.

@KKGator I know that. I merely remarked that he "could", physically sign one. It would have no legal status, but I wouldn't put it past him.

@Petter I know, I'm sorry. My funny bone has been broken and my sense of humor is rather flat of late.

@KKGator Pray allow me to re-inflate it, dear lady.

@Petter I'm next in line.

@silverotter11 @KKGator A double inflation. What a lucky time is in store.

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Even a stacked Supreme Court will have to overrule the aspiring dictator.

It's highly unlikely anything 45 might attempt to do will end up in
front of SCOTUS.

@KKGator Shame if he doesn't.
Or better yet in front of an AR with the safety catch off woth a Greenlander on the end that doesn't have a hole in it.

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