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Let's END PERSONHOOD for corporations and get money out of politics. This morning I called my representative in Congress and left this message:

"I live in Fort Myers, Florida and I am a constituent of yours. I'm calling to ask you to support and co-sponsor House Joint Resolution 48, the 'We The People' amendment to put limits on money in politics.

In addition to preventing unlimited amounts of money from controlling our government, we must also abolish corporate constitutional rights (that is, 'personhood'😉 which will be accomplished by HJR 48. Please support and co-sponsor that measure."

Find your Congressional Representatives office phone number here: [ziplook.house.gov]

mischl 8 Sep 27
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As futile as it appears, we have to keep making a big noise so that some time down the road it will happen.

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My local (city) representatives always tell me, sorry you live in the county, not the city. I've lived there for 35 years. It is only when I ask who I have to talk with to get my property taxes paid to the county that they start to look odd. I always leave them with "you should really try to find out where this city is located before you pretend to represent us."

This has happened with about 25 different elected officials during this time. I think the main problem is that local politics have been taken over by national party officials. Only one of the 5 on city council has lived in the area for more than 5 years and only one is not a recent transplant from another state.

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Another way to approach this is to restore the Fairness Doctrine for the media and also make public financing of political campaigns a viable way for third party and independent candidates to afford getting on TV for their campaigns. That way they could beat the corrupt major party candidates with their ideas, once they were able to get name recognition and their ideas out thru TV ads.

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Good on you.

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Are you familiar with the national Move to Amend organization? They are diligently working on just this very issue. They are approaching it from the grassroots, local level to build a groundswell. Check to see if there is a local chapter for your area/region. We've made some progress in the greater Toledo area - at least for getting the word out and making local government officials pay attention to the arguments against corporate personhood and money as a version of free speech. I strongly feel this is a HUGE twist of political "logic" that is thwarting our foundation as free country (here in the US).

Yes, I'm a member and have donated multiple times.

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Tread carefully here. The doctrine of corporate personhood has been deeply established for a very long time, not only in the US but in many other countries. There are some very practical reasons for this often misunderstood doctrine.

[en.m.wikipedia.org]

@Bierbasstard
That must be done through legislation. Agree but who will bell the cat? In other words, how will you get majority in both houses ever and how would you still fight the capitalists called the Republicans to do anything their friends called - the Job Creators??

The good of corporate personhood does not out weigh the bad. Corporate personhood served to further corrupt our government and ecconomic systems. Corporate personhood, it seems to me, shelters actual living persons in charge of corprations from liability. Further, it is un-necessary to have Corporate personhood because living individuals could enter into contracts on behalf of their corporate entities.

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It's a nice thought, but the only way big money will get taken out of politics is if a majority of the voters were willing to start voting for a third party that backed this, along with a credible threat of voters dumping all the incumbents from both corrupt major parties. Then, and only then, would the major party pols get behind this kind of reform, purely out of selfish survival.

It's even more than that.
It will also require overhauling the courts.
Especially now.

@KKGator True, because it's not just Citizen's United to overturn. There is also Buckley v. Valeo from the 1970s. That one ruled that money equaled free speech.

A third party is a "good idea," but will never happen with the existing political structure. Almost always, a vote for a third party is either a wasted vote or a vote for the opposing party. Or both.

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The staffers at my elected reps offices all know who I am.
They do NOT like me.
They're only polite because it's their job.
Then I get the bullshit letters from Perdue, Isakson, and Scott, telling me
how they support 45.

I get those via email

@Emerald So do I. I'm old-fashioned and still call them letters.

Things are changing. (It damn well took long enough.)

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Agree.
A Koch brother is dead but now how will we get a majority in the SCOTUS?

Damn good question, brother. Of course, it will take time. Perhaps the next administration will have the opportunity to balance things out. Also, there's a certain momentum for impeaching one justice whose confirmation process was badly mishandled...and whose reputation is badly besmirched because of previous nasty behaviors.

I have trouble considering I'm saying this but...

It might be a time for our next congress to increase the number of justices on the SCOTUS to counter the damage done to our courts recently.
How's that for your scary thought for the day?

Of course there are a lot of people that consider the recent right shift of our courts a good thing -- for me even more scary.

@mischl

  1. Hoping to get our justices is an impossibility
  2. Hoping to get a majority in both houses to pass a SCOTUS proof legislation is an impossibility
  3. Hoping to even get our own democrats to vote on our own bill is almost an impossibility. There are always red state democrats who chicken out just like they did on Obamacare.

I do not want to be negative but I know how we keep hoping for bigger things when the infrastructure bill that both parties agree on has not passed in the last 11 years. The Civil Engineers Association has been crying out loud that it is just a matter of time that a dam here or a bridge there will break and people will be killed. They still cannot wake up from petty bickering for years.

While this is the sad state of affairs, the presidential candidates are promising a pie in the sky, free healthcare to all, free education for all, shiny roads, reduce poverty, eliminate homelessness, higher taxes on the rich.... and all fanatic followers are jumping with joy. It is amazing to me how we believe that they not going to fuck us over and over again until our children will be totally enslaved on the corporate plantations in white callers for life.

@RichCC Pete Buttigieg has suggested that we increase the number of justices to 11 and 5 should be rotated.

@St-Sinner Why is this a pie in the sky when 'merca is virtually the only advanced country on this planet that does not have those benefits for it's citizens?

@jlynn37
Not "a pie in the sky" when you are talking in principle. We can talk about a lot of dreams and promising even an own home in a shining city on a shining hill to everybody.

But my point is...

  1. What is possible in Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland etc. is not possible based on where our nation is today.
  2. We have a nation dominated and controlled by capitalists - you will not be able to unshackle by just winning presidency, a republican senate will harass and frustrate you every day and make you a lame duck president like they to Obama in the second term
  3. The Nordic countries have been progressive societies. The people were willing and ready when the idea was proposed. We are still a 50:50 country with a strong religious voter population in the South and in red states. We have not won with Obamacare even with a Democratic President, a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House for 3 years. Obamacare is almost dismantled and they have not stopped destroying it
  4. People like big ideas, big dreams, catchy lines, revolutionary ideas, revenge, victory, the look and smell of it all to address their frustrations but... what about a little pragmatism? Why not keep feet on the ground and tell us how you will actually do it if when Obama could not get even his SCOTUS appointee through the senate. It was not even brought to the floor by McConnell.

@St-Sinner What you're pointing out is that democracy is not necessarily the best way to run a government. In fact, it's a BAD way to govern a country--until you compare it to all the other ways.

@St-Sinner ...Well if Pete's on board, it must be good.😎 /meaningless_comment

Seriously. I don't know that much about Pete except that he seems to be anti-discrimination including anti-anti-prolife, and of course that he's gay and is apparently intelligent and well educated.

The biggest worry I have about him might be that I hope a little for a post-tRump time of healing rather than pushing forward new initiatives. (And I know that's an emotional reaction on my part caused by fatigue as much as anything else.🤔). I'm afraid the right would be able to mobilize against him.

I'm ok with adding to the SCOTUS but I'm nervous about adding more complexity to our already fragile political situation.😊

@RichCC

I have been following Buttieg closely since his first break out in the CNN Town Hall in Austin about 5 to 6 months ago. Everything about Buttigieg is good except one thing will not work for him.

  1. His policies are good, they are pragmatic, sounds and well thought out
  2. His campaign is strong and effective
  3. His debating is strong
  4. He is blunder free so far
  5. His fund raising is at the top above Bernie, Warren and Biden
  6. His administrate experience is good
  7. His education is strong
  8. His military experience is good
  9. He is a Washington outsider
  10. He comes across sincere and motivated wanting to bring big reforms and just not promise free everything

But sadly, his gay demographic will lose tons of votes in the South. I do not know what his calculation was behind jumping in to begin with. America can elect a candidate up to Governor or Senator but not a gay, Mormon, atheist, Hindu, or Jewish demographic for another 30 years. It can happen in Northern European countries but not here (yet)

@mischl
No, I am saying that with all its faults the American democracy is better than the most except the British and Northern European countries. I am not suggesting an alternative to a democracy. But we have deep rooted structural problems. No term limits for U.S. Congress members is one.

The British Parliament's ruling party MPs voted against its own prime minister 5 times and the Supreme Court did it once too. Can you imagine that happening here?

@St-Sinner (I'll try not to let the autocorrect 'help' me this time. Sorry)
Thanks for confirming my impressions.
I like him but I'm a little afraid for him in America these days.

@St-Sinner I am for the "short straw out doctrine".

At the beginning of every term, the supreme court justices draw straws. Shot man/woman gets das boot and a new justice is appointed by the president.

A 2 term president can clear out the court completely (if the luck of the staws is with him/her). Then the next 2 term pres can undo everything.... assuming the straws align properly.

@moosepucky does it not over politicize the SCOTUS in the first term and the second? What if a justice wants to stay and prove his loyalty by voting on all cases in president's favor?

We are talking about making it impartial but this will make it more partial?

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