@OwlInASack It was a double whammy. She got it from sexist guys for simply being a woman and from feminists for standing by her man after his infidelity.
Although how she got to be so hated is largely irrelevant. Entering a race with only one shoe on is dumb, no matter how it came off.

@OwlInASack She won the popular vote because Trump is a prick not because people really wanted her.
JC was a car crash of a leader. Don't get me wrong. I voted labour but reluctantly so. The left is very fond of words like "if, should and imagine" but we do not live in a rom-com. MPs "should have got behind him, why? He never backed any labour govt votes. Yes, there was a lot of media bias against him but that has been true of nearly every labour leader in history. You cannot say that he did not get enough coverage. The election was the Corbyn, Corbyn, and Corbyn show. Everyone goes on about how decent and upright he is. Well if he was that decent? then he should have stood down after losing in 2016. Should have gone to May when she lost the 1st Brexit vote and hammered out a bipartisan deal. Should have realized that the UK has never voted in a radical labour party from scratch (1945 was an incumbent coalition govt) and worked with the Blairites to create a broad spectrum of policies. The result is we have 5 more years of Tory shit to put up with and the odds are they will get in again next time. So thanks for nowt JC.

Here lies the grave of Albert May
Who died defending his right of way
He was right, right, right all along, all along
But he`s just as dead as if he was wrong

I am not ignorant. I have been a Democrat, ultra liberal when on the East Coast but have moved to moderate in the last 8 years.

I am aware of the injustices. But with Bernie, you are bringing a hammer to kill a fly on your grandpa's bald head. We don't need extremes to solve a problem. Bernie is the Extreme Far left. It is not the Democrats' position. There are many other and in fact better solutions that Bernie's and we have better candidates than Bernie.

@OwlInASack In early 2018 a high school classmate, whom I'd not heard from since 1963 found me on FB. He presented himself as a Trumpeter and eventually offered me $30,000 to be Trump friendly. I didn't take the money, but the oligarchs do spread the dough. I told this story shortly after joining Agnostic, and abandoning my FB membership. All this occurred following calls to my GOP congressman and senators urging them to vote against the Trump finance bill.

I'm a political nobody, who has never joined a party, and those three calls were my firs political act, except for voting. It was a bit scary. They can get to anyone.The

St-Sinner bashes Bernie, but either will not tell or has no proposals for improving life for people in the US. Why is he only spreading FUD, fear, uncertainty and doubt.

FDR was a great messenger.. I do not disagree with the message. My big problem is the messenger - Bernie.

Even every Republican wants a good and fair priced healthcare - ot free, nobody in America wants insurance companies' terrorism, the old and retired do not have to struggle with the prescription bills. I get it. We all get it. Drop Bernie. He will bring a mayhem to your cause. Our country will not have a revolution in this country. Bernie is living in a la la land.

1. Start achieving incrementally like a Trojan horse.
2. Get into Washington with a good candidate.
3. Start winning more seats.
4. Sharpen your message. make deals with the devil.
5. Fuck the opposition with they knowing they are fucked..

@St-Sinner

Frankly, I believe our country loves a revolution.
Our history is full of radical change, beyond the the war that began our country.

T. Roosevelt turned over the elite power structure of the day.

FDR adopted radical changes that Bernie wants to return to. Social Security was labeled as socialism by his opponents.

Kennedy and Johnson brought profound changes with the great society - Medicare and civil rights.

Reagan brought on radical change - we don’t like it, but it can’t be denied.

Obama was less effective, but based his presidency on the concept of change.

Bernie has voted with Democrats for 40 years - he is the take over of the Democratic Party- just not in a quiet Trojan horse way.
I like most of the other Democratic candidates, but I don’t see any of them generating the levels of enthusiasm and support that Bernie does - particularly with the 20 million, 18 - 21 year olds that will be voting for the first time. That kind of support will lead to down ticket votes that will help bring control of the house and senate.

I don’t believe we can afford incremental change that the DNC advocates. Climate change and wealth inequality are at crisis levels, and Sanders’ plans to address them are better than other candidates.

As a messenger, Bernie would be better off if the word “socialist” weren’t associated with him, but if you have looked at his policies he’s not advocating for a government takeover of private industry. Bernie would reinforce the social policies we already have, while curbing the excess of influence by which oligarchs are strangling our republic.

Bernie supporters are blinded by misplaced passion for a cause. They are not thinking for choosing a correct messenger. I would not run my favorite dog in the Kentucky Derby because I sooo lovve him.