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Here is a short description of "Iroquoian " Law.. and spirituality... not quite what you think? ( in a nut shell)

Sekon, I have stated this many times-the spirituality of the Rotinosionni (Haudenosaunee-Iroquois) is not faith based. Faith is conjecture and apprehension rather than our teachings which are empirical-knowledge based on observation and rationality stemming from natural law. Traditional knowledge is also rooted in common sense, practicality and experience. We do not concede to an all knowing "god" nor do we abide by any formal "religious" institution-in our custom no one stands before the individual and the Creator. We have no priests, no hierarchy. When we acknowledge the Creation we look up and around not down from bended knee. So with regards to the plague called coronavirus or COVID-19 we do not respond with appeals to "god" but use what is around us since no human illness is beyond the healing power of Mother Earth. We use contemporary medical science (common sense) but also blend this with plants and ceremonies-those which connect us with the natural world and the spirits which travel about. We give thanks, talk to the plants and animals, sing and dance. If our time is here to leave this world we do so with music and without fear. This is what drives missionaries nuts about us-we have no heaven, no hell, no coercion and will not accept anything which qualifies our ability to reason.

Doug George-Kanentiio

#religious #reason #mother #world #laws #fear #hell #god
AmmaRE007 7 Mar 26
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have you ever flown on a plane? Do you know how turbojet engines work? Yet you had no fear of not reaching your destination, right? You have not begun to understand what faith is, wadr.

and, working down,
Test everything, and keep what is good
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
But you are a chosen race, A royal priesthood, (that's anyone, Samaritans, Cyrenians, Whores, doesnt matter)
Do not pray like the pharisees
No one has ever gone up to heaven
If you dig a pit for others, you end up in it yourself

although for anyone who has actually taken to heart what Christian believers imagine about the Bible, and maybe it is no longer accessible to them for that reason? Imo Dao or the Iriquois way are hard to beat. But trust me you have not understood the Bible yet, no one has i guess
No Son of Man may die for another's sins;

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Sounds like you're proselytizing.

no proselytizing here. As I typed..this was said by Doug George..I happened to have seen him post it..and I thought it encapsulated our ideas.. succinctly. I like sharing ideas, to open minded folks tto see what discussions could happen.

I"m not quite sure who I would be proselytizing to or even why?...

@AmmaRE007 fair enough. They seem like nice ideas and I can see and relate to the attractiveness of them but the "no healing power beyond mother earth" and the "giving thanks to plants and animals" jars my critical analysis bone

@Cy We give thanks, talk to the plants and animals, sing and dance. You'll notice that it says we talk to plants.. not ..we give thanks to them.

@Cyklone I can see how these thoughts can be subtlety different than you are used to. It is a long history of observation and record from which they come.

@AmmaRE007 I don't kniw what Iroquoian law is, I'm assuming a native tribe, but if that is so, I think that these are extraordinarily advanced and liberal ideas for a once primitive tribe to have adopted. Certainly wouldn't hurt if more people thought and acted this way.

@Cyklone we are hardly a primitive tribe

@Cyklone When you have time.. look up information on the Iroquois Confederacy and also books written by Doug George..it wil be interesting reading for you.

@AmmaRE007 I said "ONCE primitive tribe". I assumed that these were beliefs that have long been held by your tribe and were not recent ideas. Was I wrong?

@Cyklone yes... estimated (by celestial events) to date back 1,000 years

@AmmaRE007 so I was right. They are advanced ideas for any tribe to have held 1000 years ago a d we were all bloody primitive then, except for chinese and japanese. What's the problem? I will look for the books you mention.

@Cyklone I think primitive is a bunch of oligarchs who are more concerned about share prices than the lives of the people they share their tribe with!

@Geoffrey51 I'll agree wholeheartedly with that. Or ones that are willing to let people die because the remedy wouldn't suit them politically.

@AmmaRE007 I think "primitive" gets a bad rap. I don't think of primitive as ignorant, backwards or impoverished, but as using simple (and often elegant) means of living. Primitives often do quite well with little effort and consumption compared to we "advanced" types. Of the many definitions in the dictionary, most refer to being first or original. "Prime," as in "first" appears to be the original root of the term.
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I was hoping this was yours. I have lived on several Indian Reservations and though it has been some time since being there I can attest to the fact that it is a different place where people work together and with Nature.

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