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Suicide is a TERRIBLE thing to do to the people who care about you. It is a hateful, cowardly, self-centered act. Get help. There are people who want to help. There are people whose job it is to help. Reach out. Use the resources that are available. Please DON'T leave a huge burden of sadness, guilt, regret, and pain behind you. If you do, their ultimate recovery will be based upon recognizing what a evil thing you did. People will come to your grave site and yell at you.

mischl 8 Apr 2
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A 76 year old friends 42 year old son (longstanding drug problems) committed suicide just last year. It has DESTROYED her. IMO a Selfish bastard!

Thank you, Anne. You and I are two people who've had to deal with the agonizing aftermath left behind by a person who committed self-murder. Yes, you and I can understand that a person can be in intolerable pain and suffering and can't find a way to escape it except for self-destruction. I'm not minimizing that person's terrible situation. However, I want that person to realize what additional grievous wounds may be created by what seems like the easy way out. I know that trying to help someone who is a victim of a loved one's suicide is a difficult challenge.

Sitting on a park bench trying to console a widow whose husband killed himself because he lost his job, for example. She is certain that it's her fault because she didn't know how to save him. And I'm trying to help her get through the worst stages of loss and guilt to prevent her from taking her own life. I will forever lament that I was unable to find a real solution to her problem--other than send her to an MD psychiatrist who, of course, medicated her to somewhat reduce her pain. Now, my life is marked in an indelible way because of the husband's cowardly act and my own inability to help her.

From my own personal experience, I know the feeling of excruciating pain with no relief. Because of a physical injury, I suffered from a carotid cavernous fistula (google it) which, for seven months, drove me to think about self-deliverance. I could have easily taken the 9 mm. to the brain solution, and was totally unafraid to do so. But I was absolutely, totally determined not to create even more suffering in the minds and hearts of the people who cared for me. I decided it was my job to endure the pain until it killed me, but to NEVER give in to self-murder. After eight doctors in two states were unable to give me any help at all, a genius neurologist figured out the puzzle and found a team of surgeons who fixed that problem in one procedure.

So, I've been on both sides of that fence. When I'm working with (i.e., trying to help) somebody who's in that egregious pain they can't escape, I can relate to their situation from my own personal experience. Of COURSE I'm sympathetic to their pain, and I of course WANT to help. But I'm also just as sympathetic to the survivors who will have to endure on-going suffering of a suicide. My beef is with the person who doesn't try to get help and takes--what in many cases is--the easy way out.

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Mental illness is not logical. Blaming the patient for their illness is..........nonsensical. Enduring unrelenting depression is not just being sad. It is the well of darkness that is usually brain chemistry imbalance or dysfunction. Those who are hurt, will hurt others. Please don't.

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I've had to deal with the before, during, and after. Keep in mind, we are all a product of our experiences. What has worked better in many cases is encouraging a depressive to focus more on other people and less on the self. Yes, I want to help a client to reduce the suffering. And all too often, there's nothing or not much I can do in that regard. But no matter how bad things are, it's often possible that you can forget yourself for a while and focus on helping somebody else.

Confession: I am NOT a clinical psychologist (nor psychiatrist). I'm not qualified to work with clinically ill patients. Instead, I'm simply a "be all you can be" humanistic psychologist. When I'm approached by somebody who is clinically ill, I IMMEDIATELY refer that person to a qualified doctor.

I see now that I should never have posted this. I'll give the people who responded to me a few hours to read this, then I'll remove the post. **Second thought: No, I won't. I feel very strongly that I want to help the real victims of suicide, namely, the survivors.

I’ve studied suicide and self harm management and the best thing you can do is be there for the person, listen to them, perhaps get them medication to get through this and then deal with the issues leading them there - when they’re able to.
Try and get them to promise not to hurt themselves until you get to them; until they’ve seen a professional; until they’ve done anything anyone can thing of to help them.
Depression is not simple and everyone is different, I had a friend suicidal after someone jumped off their train platform and they failed to stop them... he, ‘saw the look in their eye before they stepped out’ and felt responsible.
All the best working through this one.
At the end of the day, if they go, you have to respect it was their action and hopefully you tried your best. You cannot control others.

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Sounds like religious pontificating!

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Cowardly? You are a heartless ignorant person. Guilt is not a learning tool.

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I hope you haven't lost someone this way. When I looked at your page and it said you were a mental health counselor, I immediately thought this might be about your real pain and not an effort to stop someone from this horrific act.
If you are crying in pain because of a loss, do what makes you feel the best.

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Wow, ever think of the poor person feeling that low? What a comment. Yell away, people who are ill sometimes do this and your lack of understanding leaves me wondering about you, not them.
P.s. I’m sorry for your loss.

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I do know guilting people at that level of pain is no help. But can attest, trudging forward is worth it! Do consider those who’d be permanently damaged by your demise, they’re there; they were for me. And don’t let anyone convince you the idea is cowardice - we know better.

Varn Level 8 Apr 2, 2020
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