Maybe this time real and lasting change will take place. Minneapolis city council voted today to disband their entire police department!!! I have never seen this before. Let's hope this is just the beginning..
This is how The Purge started!!
Maybe. Probably not.
I need more information.
If they fired leadership, disbanded the police union, got rid of qualified immunity and civil forfeiture, etc., that would go a long way.
Hope they're happy.
Are you KIDDING me?!?
If they ever "defund" MY town's police department and go with "community-based" law enforcement, I'm moving!
@Storm1752 There are thousands on the streets that seem to disagree with your answer. Human rights are above all.
@Rodatheist I doubt they all want to disband police departments. That's insane, in my opinion.
@Storm1752 No, they want to end police brutality and to end the disregard for the lives of black men. If that means reorganize police departments or disbanding them to re-organize them on the community policing model the so be it.
So who does the policing now? The county sheriff? There’s not enough deputies to cover the entire city.
From wikipedia: Community policing is a philosophy of full service personalized policing, where the same officer patrols and works in the same area on a permanent basis, from a decentralized place, working in a proactive partnership with citizens to identify and solve problems.
@Gatovicolo Of course it is. When you said “ So who does the policing now? The county sheriff? There’s not enough deputies to cover the entire city.” , it appeared to me that you did not know what Community Policing was, which warranted a definition.
@Rodatheist Community policing is a policy. Policies don’t substitute facts. If the dept is being disbanded, then some group will have to fill the vacuum.
@Gatovicolo I am not sure what do you mean when you say community policing is a policy, as if to dismiss it. As far as I can see, everything is a policy. So, I think that it would do us good to read the definition of community policing a few times to understand that it is a different way of policing that brings more closeness of the police to the community and therefore more respect and accountability..
@Rodatheist No, they’re talking about disbanding the police. Oddly enough, though , it’s an easy logical step for most people to assert that results in no police.
"Incremental change" where it has been tried, has apparently gone nowhere. Thus, a reasoned shake-up is needed; "reasoned" being the operative word.
Incremental change does not work because it allows the police departments ti work around new reforms and continue using harsh methods or ignore human rights.
Wow! Defunding doesn't mean the police go away. FFS!
Defunding means reorganizing.
It's been needing done forever and it is THE ONLY hope for a system as fucked up and corrupt as the system(s) here in America.
I'm shocked. The same people freaking out here about change are the very same people that scream something needs to change.
I wonder now if militant, Christian, white, right-wingers - boogalo and militia types, will do lots of little false flag operations around there now. Teach everybody a "lesson"?
Well, vacuums fill fast. But community policing should allow for more close ties of the community to those doing the policing and therefore protecting from bad apples that could find their way through.
@Rodatheist Philosophically I think communities policing themselves makes the most sense. And I think in more civilized and well educated populations, like in Northern Europe, it might work quite well. I just don't think most Americans can pull it off yet. I hope that can change, or that I am wrong. It will be an interesting experiment to see them work on, I hope it goes well!
I would like to see some plan on how to replace them.
@SeaGreenEyez well, disband sounds more like getting rid of them all which is very different from reorganize.
@Mofo1953 It does sound like that. That isn't what it means, however. To "abolish" would mean to do away with. There are extremists that want to abolish. I haven't ever ran across one of those, but they're out there.
@SeaGreenEyez yes, had to look it up and it means distributing budget to other institutions that are better suited to assist and help citizens like housing and health than giving it to the cops, I believe they should use a different term in order to convey the idea so much better
@Mofo1953 It's unfortunate the words being used have shock value. "Defund the police" sounds like there will be no more police and too many people won't bother to look up what it actually means.
@SeaGreenEyez hate to say it but republicans are so much better at communicating than progressives, the clearest example I can think of is when the started using Death Tax in order to gather opposition to the Estate Tax.
@Mofo1953 They are better. In fact, it was only a day into the protests when I sneaked around in a couple right--wing FB groups, painful as it was, and they were already trending "defendthepolice
I did have a thought about that though...how they "organize" even on a fairly small scale at first, and so I started looking at people I know in those godawful spaces. They LIVE online. In large numbers. I mean there are some 20,000 in that group. And you can see when they're there...there are literally posting 16/20 hours at a time.
No lives. Their lives are Trump, Trumpism, hating liberals, spreading conspiracies and a WHOLE lot of whining. Complaining. Victims. #augh
@SeaGreenEyez excuse my french but these magas are fucking cocksuckers and it also pains me to see that shit!
Interesting. This should provide an interesting sociological experiment for the entire world to watch.
It will be interesting to see how the new system will look. I think they will look to other counties who have had successful Public Safety Law Enforcement histories and emulate one of them. But I don't think this is over yet. It will likely end up in court.
That is an absolutely terrible idea.
Way to go to extremes.
What the hell is wrong with people?
Extremes, in either direction, are usually always a bad idea, and lead to dangerous,
We need the police. We just don't need the police acting like judges, juries, and
The police serve a vital function in all communities. They are necessary.
Abolishing whole departments is absurd.
You seem to think that there will be no police, but that is not what community policing is.
I think it was a courageous move to take on such a powerful institution. Big changes are needed to correct such a deeply corrupt culture. I hope it works well and it spreads to the rest of the country. What do we have to lose?
So does the city council have the power to do this and are they sure they want to completely disband their police? I’m all for the movement, but I don’t know if completely disbanding the police is the way to go. I must be missing something here. The article does not go into these details.
@Rodatheist Right, but I’m still curious about if the city council has that power. I doubt they do.
@indirect76 Each city has its own parliamentary rules. In Minn it looks like 9 out of 13 or so, voted in favor so that they had veto proof majority. It looks like, legally, they can.
@Rodatheist Thanks for enlightening me. The article does little to explain the implications. Perhaps Forbes should be defunded.
I agree. I would also restaff and take an entirely different approach to training.