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Where did the "GoldenRule" come from???

divinely downloaded thousands of yrs ago on top of a desert mountain after 40 days of no food or water??
or did humanity eventually figure it out.... from AynRandian enlightened selfishness?

either way, the GoldenRule hasn't always been so well interpreted or implemented in the past!! ..

Yaweh is alleged to have said: "I made the gold..I rule..its all good... after only putting in 144 hrs of work

Noah: however said only a pair of platypuses can come in..
but 7 pairs of goats are ok cause they will eventually be listed as "clean" and we'll eat them later.

Jehovah apparently said: lets kill innocent Egyptian first born kids instead of waterboarding the Pharaoh
the Hebrews agreed: ya..we'll celebrate that yearly
lets do unto them before they do unto us

the Buddah: figured out under a tree to not do to others what you don't want done to you

the Hindus say: do it right or do it over again and again and

Lenin/Stalin took the gold and said: do or die for the state
Hitler: ve kneed lebensraum (but only fer uns)

Mohamed taught: believe, or die. meanwhile go march around a meteorite

JWs knock themselves out on millions of doors even tho only 144k will make it up there.. why bother if heaven is so overbooked?

too many Xian televangelists say: cast your bread upon the waters and it shall be returned unto to me!!!
with butter and jam... or you will die

Captain Smith of Titanic finally gurgled: every man for himself
my ex gal pal tells me: but girls should always come first!!!
most guys ask: Why? more importantly, How?

Trump's golden rule:: work, and gold may come unto you
the FED: we make the gold and the rules
Shumer, Pelosi, and Jerry Brown: come unto us, don't work, vote correctly, and all shall be given unto you

Krishna, Timothy Leary: everything is all ok.. even if ur Sikh
UU: its all good. so simple. even I could join.
SDA: its all in EGWhite's little Red Books (why I left)

Jesus: (the best golden rule: the best way to run a world?)
do FOR others... even if they won't do for you

john8verse32 3 Apr 5
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To my understanding, the golden rule is a derivative of the silver rule of judaism:

Do not do unto others as you would not have done to you.

I find it interesting to note the shift from a passive or inactive stance to an aggressive or active one. Where the silver rule advises to temper your actions based on your negative preferences, the golden urges acting upon others based on your positive preferences. This shift in basic moral perspective is reflective of christianity's penchant for evangelism and recruitment, as opposed to the comparitively less pushy, chosen people club status of judaism.

Torq Level 5 Apr 5, 2018
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From 'The Wizard of Id' 🙂

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There is not only one golden rule. There are many. The main religions look at the Golden Rule like this chart.

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I would imagine that the golden rule was first generated when the first human communities were formed and they were figuring out how to get along with each other. 🙂

Betty Level 8 Apr 5, 2018
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There are at least three golden rules in the bible, and several more in secualr life.

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Where did you get those exact words/quotes?

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It doesn’t matter where it originally came from, it’s still an excellent guiding principle.

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Reciprocity
noun
the practice of exchanging things with others for mutual benefit, especially privileges granted by one country or organization to another.

Reciprocity is common in nature, we see it everywhere.
The Golden Rule is what you get when an Authoritarian Society structure dictates reciprocity to the citizenry, and is much less functional.

I oft point this out to Believers, to their Ire, but the Golden Rule only work for someone who holds the same overall social ideaation as you, someone from the same society with the same values. If thiose cultures or societies differ greatly the golden rule falls apart. This is also true if someone in your society is divergent from the norm in your society.

A couple of examples put this to bed quickly.
In Many island Nations it is a rite of Passage for men to get large, painful single needle tattoos signifying thier asennt into manhood. If a Man from there followed the golden rule and inked you without your consent, doing unto you as he would have done to himself, IN HIS CULTURE that might well be seen as a gift, In THIS Culture it would be assault and welcomed by scant few.

Imagine someone like the marquee de Sade, who like to whip and be whipped, applying that golden logic to you.

The Golden rule does not take YOUR desire, YOUR liberty into any consideration. Instead it asserts from the position of authority that you WILL like and desire what the author likes and desires. In many cases that might be true, but it could not be universal.

A better version would be "Do unto others as they desire to be done to them", but that is not Authopritative and requires you communicating with them instead of assuming they want and desire what you do.

I call that the platinum rule. Treat others as they desire to be treated.

@Wildflower 🙂
I run my life by Ethics, tempered with Empathy.

You can't always get what you want
But if you try
Sometimes
You get what you need

I commented earlier up the thread on the silver rule (do not do unto others as you would not have done to you) and some of the implications of the shift from that to the golden rule.

I would offer that it is still a better route than either the golden or platinum, as it has been called here. The platinum still carries with it the possibility of wrong action, only through misinterpretation, as has been alluded to already.

Granted, the silver rule can carry with it the same danger as the trolley problem, wherein inaction becomes the less moral or immoral option. However, I would note that the silver rule can still be a call to positive action in a circumstance where what one would NOT want done to them is to NOT act.

I would not want to be left on the side of the road, battered and bleeding, so I would act to help someone in that circumstance.

@Torq All of which is effectively solved with Ethics and Empathy.
It is not Ethical to leave a person bleeding by the side of the road
Nor is it Empathetic
As such it would take a very extreme set of circumstances for me to bypass such an event, like I had a car chock full of bleeding dying people under fire, and stopping for one more would get all of them dead.
The needs of the many . . .

@Davesnothere I confess, I'm not really sure what you mean by "solved with Empathy and Ethics [sic]". Although, you've capitalized them, so it's possible you mean something other than what meaning I assign to those words.

Ethics, to my understanding, is just what we're talking about here. Rules of consideration by which we temper our decisions and actions. They can vary widely from person to person.

Empathy is certainly a guiding principle in my ethics, but it is not a given that it must be a consideration when devising some ethical system. I also certainly wouldn't characterize it as the sole basis for a proper ethical system. The "cruel to be kind" cliche comes to mind.

All three rules, I would propose, require some form of empathy. That is the ability to imagine what some act, when committed upon another, would feel like for us. Essentially, that is what empathy is; guessing that someone else experiences what you would in that circumstance.

Ironically, it is this very feature of empathy that creates the possible problem I noted above. The potential that we guess wrong or assume incorrectly, and ultimately commit a wrong act.

The quintessential expression and examination of the "needs of the many" ethical stance is the trolley problem. I think it's also relevant to note the interesting math that goes into prioritizing our empathy in the sorts of situation you cited. While one may empathize with the person on the side of the road, that does not outweigh the empathy for the greater number of people in the car: and, of course, oneself.

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It's like the step pyramids found all over the world. It's universal widsom.

Interesting to note the positive and negative forms of assertion of the 'rule', where the positive command to act a certain way suggests more and the negative prohibition suggests less.

Then again the following seems to be on a higher and more difficult to reach moral plain then the 'rule':

‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy’. But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you…” (Matthew 5:43-45.)

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