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Hi friends. I just wanted to share that I feel I'm being forced to go to spiritual speach at my work by the guy who owns Hobby Lobby. Boss said it wasn't mandatory but I work with a bunch of religious people. I saw the sign up sheet today and a girl I work with said she and another girl were going to write my name on it! So, I felt like I HAD to sign up. Feeling frustrated!

Presley1209 7 Apr 5
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Good time for a sick day

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Call FFRF if you want support and want to report them or ACLU. Don't let them bully you into going if you really don't want to.

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Well if the job depends on it then you better do it. But start the search for a new job tomorrow. Oh say amen alot.

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I just watched a 5 min video of David Green on YouTube and couldn't stand it! I don't know how I'm going to get thru this.

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Wear a subversive t shirt

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Yell "Praise the Lord" and "Halleluja" a bunch of times, and start dancing around convulsively, speaking in tongues. I'm begging.

Lol!

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I would not sign up. I would do my job and I would document everything. That's if you like your job and are not interested in quiting.

I do like my job but this is b.s.

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Your boss outranks your co-workers. Besides, the hobby lobby guy is thieving trash. I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire, much less go out of my way to hear anything he thinks he has to say.

I'm dreading it for sure.

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Smile and move on. When in a position to implement change do so.

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My suggestion would be to not sign up. Discreetly check the list to see if the coworkers put your name on it and if you can identify anyone else missing from the list. If your name isn't on the list, wait and see if your supervisor brings it up to you. If she doesn't and your name isn't on the list, don't go. If someone else put your name on the list, and HQ/COO doesn't send you a personal reminder to attend, don't go and if questioned, tell them YOU didn't put your name on the list.

Alternatively, if you are comfortable with your immediate supervisor and don't think she is a zealot, ask her outright if non attendees will be frowned upon. They said it is optional, if you feel you can trust your sup, you should be able to tell her you would prefer not to attend but not if it results in negative consequences. See how she responds.

Having raised a kid by myself, I understand weighing principles against necessity. Sometimes we have to bite our tongue and just do what we have to do. If it looks like not attending will jeopardize your job, you may be well off to attend the speech and then rant here after. 🙂

I agree. I too raised a son alone. I watched a 5 min video of this jerk last night and I don't think I can do it. I will be removing my name today.

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I work at a company who advised a customer service rep not to say god bless to customers because they don't support any one religion. She quit. LOL! This does not help you in any way, I know, but that made me happy knowing I'm working for an all inclusive company.

That's awesome!

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We always have choices. Your would probably be better off working elsewhere.

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I wouldn't go

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Oh honey, here, I got this.

If you don't want to stand up & say you aren't interested in attending & you prefer to keep your "spiritual life" a private matter for fear of retribution, retailiation or negative backlash to your career path....

Day of event, you are swamped. Desk piled high, dead line looming, omg you are probably gonna have to stay lat...there is just no way you could possibly tear yourself away...

Or (depending on your sick leave policy)

Go in stating you are not feeling well (if you wear make up, skip blush that day to look peaky/pallid). You can than say you just do not feel up to attending such an event, then excuse yourself & hurry to the ladies room...or call out sick.

If this is standard behavior in your workplace & the expectation is that you conform to the religious standard, you may want to either start documenting issue/time/place/what was said and or done/who witnessed &email that from work email to private for date/time stamp & gear up for a fight or start looking for another position. (Been there, done that.)

That is great advice! I will start documenting! I should have thought of that myself. It just pisses me off. This shit should not be happening in the work place!

@Presley1209 the folks in my workplace tend to be religious but the majority of them are not pushy about it. i work for a local government & there are advantages to that i don't want to give up...unless i'm going to work for the state. When its a work function with food, there is gonna be a blessing. I don't participate & neither do others, & we catch zero grief. In private industry, however, different ball of wax. I feel for you.

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Just sit there and nod once in awhile...

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Find a pen, pencil, marker, whatever ... cross your name off.
Remive the source of your frustration - just like that !

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I don't think you can be forced to do this. Coercion might be a better word, although it is more of a social obligation then anything else. I would just say, no thanks, I'd rather not. If they don't take that for an answer there is definately a problem. They could be less friendly towards you, but that's about it. If you get fired for declining the invite, you could have a legal cause to sue for discrimination. If that happens, sue the crap out of them! This could actually be your lucky break!

I hear ya but I like my job and my boss, she's not the one who put this together, its her boss.

Unfortunately, as someone else mentioned, if they want to get rid of ypu, because you're a "heathen", they won't say that. They will watch for you to stay too long on break or come in late or wear something that doesn't meet the dress code and so on. Things that won't look like discrimination. It is a difficult situation and you will have to weigh the sides and decide which is more important for you.
That being said, it is bs and I certainly don't blame you for being pissed.

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So you work at hobby lobby or is this just a speech by the HL guy your boss asks you attend? If it's not being paid, they can't legally make you go, but they can certainly do plenty as an employee to make your life difficult like cutting hours or giving bad shifts etc. So it comes down to what is likely to happen or other circumstances, and whether it's worth your trouble to decline going.

I don't work for HL. Boss wants us to attend. ?

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You should not feel obligated to do that and it would be illegal for them to impose that on you. If your boss says not mandatory then don't attend if you don't want to. It's that simple.

I know you are right but I know they will judge me. Its not a easy decision so I'm going to suck it up.

@Presley1209 then the problem is with you not imposing boundaries in your life. You’ve been told it is optional. So place the boundaries.

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Don't be. We all make these concessions one way or another. Breadcrumbs 🙂

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Wow, tough spot to be in. Considering that you're lamenting on it here rather than outright quitting suggests to me that you need this job, so let's try to find a way to keep it and save your sanity.

You may be able to get away with seeming too religious. What I mean by that is that you don't celebrate any public displays. We have someone like that at my work. He doesn't do Halloween events or even Christmas office parties. I never pried into his religion, but I wonder if he's a Jehovah's Witness. I don't know.

But if you state that you do not feel comfortable with flouting your faith like the Pharisees, then this may deflect them away from your nonbelief. Read up on what Jesus said about public displays of prayer in Matthew 6:5:

*"When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Most certainly, I tell you, they have received their reward."

  • Also check out Luke 18:10-14, which is actually a rather moving tale of humility:

*"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’ But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’ I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."

  • Now the tricky part is mentioning this to your co-workers without insulting them. People don't like being called out on their crap. Wrap yourself in an envelope of humility. When you do not speak of your faith, it is not because you have none. It is because you do not wish to put it on display for all to see. And besides, Christians don't typically expect nonbelievers to chuck Bible verses at them.

I've dealt with many believers. I've learned that it's easier to phrase everything from their perspective. They are more willing to listen that way.

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I wouldn't agree with something like that, never. Sounds like a job for the ACLU.

I decided I'm not going.

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Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. You have probably had to do worse. Sometimes it is about survival. Don't fret about it.

I am fretting about it. I should not feel forced to go. I have decided not to. If I don't stand up I am just another person giving in to these wackos and I refuse to do that.

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Just go and get it out the way, because if you don't go they may try to black ball you behind closed doors. Nothing wrong with keeping the peace on your job, just remember who you are and what you stand for, you might have to keep all that inside at the religious event because of conflict of interest.

Its such b.s. tho.

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