You're delusional. The Russians want you to think that. Go ahead and vote third party. And welcome trump for a second term. Explain it to your female relatives when they are raped and killed...

@Cutiebeauty

The DNC pushed Biden to the top of the heap. His campaign was dead in the water. They consider him the "safe" nominee.

Whatever happens is on them. This is not the time for a "hold-your-nose" candidate.

If he supported M4A, he'd win in a landslide. That he won't is sadly revealing.

@WilliamCharles you're a Russian troll. You assign everything trump says or does to Biden without any evidence.. Just memes. Pure ignorance.. Trump must love you. So sad.

@Cutiebeauty

You are hopelessly oblivious.

@Cutiebeauty

@RoboGraham

I think her heart's in the right place, but the Dem Establishment is trying to erase any trace of nuance as it would make their crappy nominee come up so woefully short.

Hence... "NOT TRUMP!!" is all they've got.

Too many people I know think a Biden vote is a be all and end all.

@WilliamCharles

That's it exactly. Chris Hedges is always on point.

I think so too. She has good intentions but what bothers me is that I've had many discussions with her in which I explain the reality of what is happening to this country to her as clearly and patiently as I possibly can and her response is always a closed minded pretentious dismissal of all that I have to say. She just attempts to belittle by labeling anyone who isn't vote blue no matter who as a Russian bot troll and it eventually gets to be too frustrating. I should really just never engage with her, but when I see her saying ignorant nonsense, I can't resist.

@WilliamCharles Quite true. I never gave a fuck about Russiagate, but the corporate Dems and their media have been using this for the last four years to distract the public and blame Hillary's loss on anything but the real cause, their shitty candidate.

@WilliamCharles, @RoboGraham I blocked her a long time ago because she is full of herself and blind to the reality of the Dem leaders.

@TomMcGiverin

That's good for your sanity.

@RoboGraham It will be interesting to see if Biden can hold it together for ninety minutes, which I doubt, if the debate goes ahead at the end of this month. I am not holding my breath that any of the debates happen, much less that all three scheduled debates happen. I will be shocked if at least Biden doesn't drop out of the rest if he falls apart on the 29th and his poll numbers then plummet.

@RoboGraham, @WilliamCharles Bernie would win in a landslide, at least this time, but the DNC really seems to be playing to lose..

@TomMcGiverin

I'm hoping Joe Rogan will moderate one of them. That should be really interesting. If there are any debates at all, it won't be good for Biden. Trump is not a friend as Bernie was, he won't hold back.

@RoboGraham I heard Trump wanted Rogan to moderate one of the debates, but it's not going to happen. In fact, Trump didn't get any of the moderators he asked for.

@TomMcGiverin

What a shame.

Makes sense though. They will never allow anyone outside of the corporate media complex ask questions of presidential candidates during such a public forum.

@Cutiebeauty

@RoboGraham Yup, wouldn't want to let voters learn anything about how shitty both candidates are and how much they agree on. The debates will be moderated by a Fox News guy, a C-Span guy (that I have seen in action on Washington Journal and he is a complete hack that would fit in well on a corporate network) and an NBC News female anchor. Nothing alternative here at all.

@TomMcGiverin

So it'll be the same old safe questions pre-approved by the establishment. Wonderful, I can't wait. I am looking forward to seeing biden struggling though.

@RoboGraham

@RoboGraham I remember seeing something either four years ago or the cycle before that where it listed all the issues where both prez candidates were the same position on and also contained a memo spelling out how the mics in this town hall debate would be cut off if any citizen questioner brought up any of these issues or varied at all from their pre-submitted ? on one of the "safe" topics for the debate. Who needs a state-controlled censored news source like the Soviet Pravda, when we have our own corporate media?

That's low hanging fruit. I already hate Dolt 45 and Rethuglicans. But Establishment Dems pretend to be on my side as they prevent progressive movement.

Fuggum.

I don't see how anyone can be Progressive and not be anti-Biden. So yes he is Progressive and yes he criticizes Biden a lot, as we all should.

Trump is horrendous but he's certainly not a retard. So there you go with the name calling again. That is a very Trumpian characteristic of yours.

Your doubts are valid.

@RoboGraham robo robo robot. Are you kidding me? Any third party supporter would be critical of both Biden AND trump. Stop your nonsense comrade.

@RoboGraham, @WilliamCharles memes don't support your positions. Its similar to children and comic books. Cmon, get real or shut up.

@WilliamCharles that's great. There's hope for you yet.

@WilliamCharles seriously? Trump has been president the last three or so years, and you blame Biden? Don't you understand Biden isn't president right now! Or has ever been pres. Holy crap!! You're clueless ..v

@Cutiebeauty

Biden's platform is pablum, posturing, and pandering.

"A fight for the soul of the nation."

To quote Biden himself... "Give me a break."

Biden helped lay the groundwork for Trump.

@WilliamCharles please tell me about Biden's platform verses trumps platform...

@Cutiebeauty

Yeah, obviously we are all critical of Trump. To the point that it's like beating a dead horse.

Biden is an enemy of Progressives so we are critical of him as well. You seem to be rather confused.

Biden, the DNC, and the establishment prevented the nomination of a progressive candidate who would have fought for all of those positive policies in @WilliamCharles's meme. He, like Trump and the republicans, is an impediment to progress.

Memes are an effective medium for communicating information. What's childish is your name calling and clear inability to grasp the basics of American politics.

@Cutiebeauty - with pleasure (though not really).

The Dems are McResistance at best.

@WilliamCharles

I love that movie.

I hate that Mrs Farmer, she's such a f*ing btch

@RoboGraham - she wouldn't let herself believe that (the Dirty Dancing actor) was a creep.

Swayze. I was blanking.

@WilliamCharles, @RoboGraham You guys ought to get married.

@WilliamCharles

She was devoted to the child molester Patrick Swayze.

@barjoe

@WilliamCharles Your meme is almost as annoying as those from Qanon.

@WilliamCharles

They won't see that they were wrong until decades later. They will continue with that same failed strategy of running corrupt corporate neoliberals and blaming scapegoats after each loss until an actual progressive party rises up and overtakes them.

@barjoe

Hard truths tend to be annoying don't they

@barjoe

@WilliamCharles

And when Biden loses, we will be the convenient scapegoats, along with Russia of course. I'll take all the blame they have to dish out. It was all my fault and if they would like to try and regain my vote, we can negotiate next time.

@barjoe

Fvck the DNC. Establishment Dems will kill the party as they further attempt to maintain their stranglehold on power in their waning days. They are self-serving dinosaurs and "third-way" corporate puppets.

@Cutiebeauty There is an awful lot of space between being critical of Biden and being a Trump-supporting Russian bot. All you have to do is look at Biden’s long legislative history to understand why millions of people who despise Trump and want him gone are stupefied by the DNC and Biden. Here’s a short list:

Biden wrote the 1995 crime bill that led to the explosion of private prisons and mass incarceration, disproportionately victimizing poor people and people of color.
Biden was instrumental in passing the 2005 bankruptcy bill that crushes consumers in debt, including helping to kill numerous consumer-protection amendments.
Biden argued multiple times on the Senate floor to cut Social Security, Veterans benefits, and Medicare.

Discussion of these issues is not the same as supporting Trump. We have the capacity to oppose Trump AND to demand Democrats represent the 10’s of millions of people who really have no major Party representing them.

@RoboGraham

Biden will write a book with a plagiarized title (What Happened?) and still have no clue.

@Bobbyzen

Well thanks for your attempt to get through to her but if past experience is any indicator of future behavior, your rational assessment will fall on deaf ears.

@Bobbyzen if I one if progressive, I expect to see them critical of both trump AND Biden... All I see is criticism of Biden , thus, Russian bots... @robograham and @williamcharles for frequently try to discredit Biden but hardly ever do the same of trump.. Explain that with eyes wide open...

@Cutiebeauty

Orange Man bad!

Happy?

Now what we need is a candidate that can prevent him from getting a 2nd term.

Biden seems not to be up to the task.

@Cutiebeauty

Sorry, I didn't realize my nationality was dependent upon the number of Trump critical posts i put out.

It's kind of a given that progressives are anti-trump.

@Cutiebeauty

Also, speaking of bidens faults is not discrediting him. That's what's called political discourse. Its a very common phenomenon in the run up to a presidential election.

@WilliamCharles orange man bad.. Sure.. That balances everything.. Thanks comrade..

@WilliamCharles, @RoboGraham if you're progressive... Or american .. I'd expect more anti trump, pro Bernie.. And not the third party, write in votes that Russians are pushing...

@RoboGraham

Sorry, I didn't realize my nationality was dependent upon the number of Trump critical posts i put out.

It's kind of a given that progressives are anti-trump.

Apologize all you want. Not accepted.

Robot graham..

@Cutiebeauty

Trying to get Biden to adopt as many of Bernie's programs as we can is why we bitch about Team Biden and the DNC.

If your main defense of Biden is, "Stop pointing out what a POS he is!"... you may be fighting a lost cause.

@WilliamCharles I'm so sorry you don't understand that memes aren't evidence. I feel so sad for you and all the dummies who believe you. Very sad

@Cutiebeauty

He makes a very good point. You don't even attempt to counter any of the information contained within the memes, you just resort to blaming Russia and dismissing everything becusae its in meme form. You have nothing to go on.

Are you capable of speaking substantly on the issues? Or will you always turn to these lazy, immature tacktics of throwing around poorly thought out insults in lieu of meaningful arguments?

@Cutiebeauty

Sorry. I guess I'm just too dense. Funny thing is I'm not the only one who views the situation this way. Maybe the DNC and Team Hillary screwed up elevating Trump as pied piper, ya think?

@Cutiebeauty I don’t know much about William Charles, but I know Robograham does not support Trump. Nor do I. I don’t have to prove my hate for Trump by posting about him. In fact, he’s not worth but a minute of my time.

@Cutiebeauty @Bobbyzen if I one if progressive, I expect to see them critical of both trump AND Biden... All I see is criticism of Biden , thus, Russian bots... @robograham and @williamcharles for frequently try to discredit Biden but hardly ever do the same of trump.. Explain that with eyes wide open...

Look again. From a recent post, Robograham taking Trump down.

@Bobbyzen - Trump being scum does magically elevate Biden past being a corporate tool. The oligarchs don't care if Biden wins or loses. They only needed him to take out Bernie.

@WilliamCharles You’re preaching to the choir my friend.

Painfully tragic. They would have locked up the youth vote for years to come.

Chew got it, mang.

The democratic establishment is already right of center and if Biden wins, the rotation further right will continue on.

@RoboGraham
I disagree. It is not right of the center. It is blamed for being left of the center and it needs to be closer to the center to win. Fanaticism of the right is doomed and fanaticism of the left has done a tremendous damage to the Democratic Party since 2016. No More.

@St-Sinner

Your perception of the political spectrum is distorted by the American political window.

Juxtapose the democratic party to any centrist party outside the USA and you will see that it falls sharply right of center.

@RoboGraham
I am comfortable with my outlook of American politics and my conclusion after watching candidates, races, policies, personalities, what won and what lost has offered me a good insight into where we stand. The Democratic Party has had an assault from the Far Left for some time and we have lost elections because of it. Republicans have successfully labeled the Party as socialist and communist thanks to the fool's run for six years that we should not even air to. Our generosity has caused us some popularity with voters. I hope Democratic Party makes rules and prohibits fantastic candidates from hijacking the platform from here on. We do not want to be like some bad places like Europe not like Cuba.

@St-Sinner

So you want to make the democratic party even less democratic than it already is. Gotcha.

@RoboGraham
Being Democratic does not mean allowing chaos like those took place for 6 years. Gates should be closed to misadventures like that. Bernie can start his own party and see how far he can go. He would not go beyond Vermont, let alone dreaming of being president.

@St-Sinner

Right, you think democracy should be eroded even further. I understand.

@RoboGraham

No, you do not understand. That has been the problem. I told you Bernie would not win, he did not make sense, he would damage Democratic Party's cause, his message was rotten, his demographics were terrible, his personality was a total misfit, people never elect anybody for a message, American presidency is a personality contest.. I told you all that.. My first post on Bernie titled.. "The Man Who would Never Become President" early in 2019........ but you did not understand and people's verdict came as I predicted.

@St-Sinner

Yes, you took an extremely bold stance and predicted that the progressive would lose as they always do in a party that always ensures they cannot win. Try not to break your arm patting yourself on the back about ti.

I guess we should all just not attempt to make any progress because someone like Sanders hasn't won in the past. That's how all the big momentous events have gone down in history, right. Everybody gives up because it didn't happen before.

And yes, I understand you perfectly. You want the undemocratic party to limit it's democratic practices even further so people have even fewer choices and are compelled to support the establishment even more so.

A shifting "center" is part of the problem.

@RoboGraham

All you said would be true if the society was even remotely ready for it. It is just like you cannot install Democracy in Libya. American system and people will not allow it for at least 50 years ahead. We have to keep feet on the ground and be pragmatic about what we can achieve. There were guys in the 19th century who made wax wings to fly and crashed on the ground. Know where you are, what is possible, are people ready, is your message right... on all these counts Bernie campaign was flat wrong and it dragged common people with their hard earned money.

@St-Sinner

We won't get there by not fighting for it.

@RoboGraham

Fight but be wise, be pragmatic, make a good plan, not go on a fool's errand and drag other people with you.

In other words, don't start if you are not really ready for it. Open a liquor shop instead to get people high.