that doesn't prove there are no gods. it only proves that the story therein is largely impossible (probably some historical background in there, just as in any work of fiction, but nothing that helps in the god question). there are no gods, of course, but torah's turning out to be fictional doesn't prove it. in fact you can't prove there are no gods. it's just so damned unlikely... like... you can't prove there are no unicorns but it's easy to figure out they're made-up things. same with gods.

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@genessa Since the poster mentioned god, not gods and is American it is almost certain that they were referring to Yaweh the Jewish god and if anyone reads the old testament and does not accept that it is all make believe then they are not really paying attention. As for this or any other gods existing I would as soon believe in Bertrand Russel's teapot circling the earth.

@Moravian regardless of the number of gods the poster mentioned, what i said applies.to.gods in general. note that the jewish god is not named yaweh (or jehovah, or fred) and that is a name nonjews seem to have attached to that psrticular god. I know no jews who ever called their god that (or anything but "god" if they're not so religious and "hashem" -- meaning "the name" ) if religious, the latter being unwilling even to type, write or say the word "god."

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@genessa [en.wikipedia.org]

Time you got correcting wikipedia then.
If you want to believe that there are supernatural beings floating around that is entirely up to you but I don't

@Moravian I do not understand how anything i have said could be interpreted to mean i believe in any supernatural beings, floating or otherwise. For the record, which i thought was already clear, i do not. I have been an atheist since age 15. Before age 15 i was not especially religious either.

That is an interesting article about yahweh. I don't think it was written by anyone who actually knows a jew, or who has read the hebrew bible. It probably has some basis in fact regarding the history of monotheism. It has no bearing on what jews do, say or believe and what i said about the jewish take on the name of god is factual. If you want to believe there is a jew alive today who calls his/her god (or thinks of his/her god as) yahweh, that is entirely up to you, but i don't.

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@genessa Sorry. I stand corrected. I misinterpreted your comment"That does not prove there are no gods "
As for what the Jewish people did or still do called their god or gods is not really important as they were an invention anyway.

@Moravian it was a detail i felt important enough to mention but not vital to anyone's existence. Still, i didn't think it did anyone harm to learn that tidbit. As for proving there are no gods, we can't prove it any more than we csn prove there are no unicorns, but there is plenty of evidence thst both are made-up things and that makes their likelihood slim enough to be considered nil, which is why i am an atheist instead of an agnostic. I see a lot of new atheists, often previously religious christians, using their anger to "prove" there is no god (a good god wouldn't allow fill-in-blank-with-watever-enrages-you, right?) and that doesn't prove there are no gods. It proves there arr no good gods. The fact that it doesn't prove there are no gods doesn't prove there ARE gods lol. It only indicates that said new atheist isn't using logic. That's okay. It seems to be a phase some need to experience. The anger should subside as the realization dawns that you really can't be angry (for long) at a fictional character.

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@genessa Actually it may be easier to prove that unicorns didn't exist as there would no doubt be some fossil evidence if they did

@Moravian Okay, the tooth fairy, then. Since she is apparently immortal, like most gods (baldur wasn't) and not just representative of a species, there would be no tooth fairy fossils. By the way, fictionality be damned, she still owes me a quarter. With interest and inflation, that means if she ever paid up, i could pay off the mortgage.

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You say, "It is trivial to show that both the God of the Bible and the God of the Torah cannot exist."

That is an illogical statement please attempt to make it logical. I know you cannot show that they cannot exist.

@Word You assert "I know you cannot show that they cannot exist.". In light of the fact that the six days claimed by both books does not match the observed roughly 13.8 billion years, please justify your assertion.

@anglophone When ever you learn logic we can finish the discussion.

Red Herring
Ignoratio elenchi

(also known as: beside the point, misdirection [form of], changing the subject, false emphasis, the Chewbacca defense, irrelevant conclusion, irrelevant thesis, clouding the issue, ignorance of refutation)

Description: Attempting to redirect the argument to another issue to which the person doing the redirecting can better respond. While it is similar to the avoiding the issue fallacy, the red herring is a deliberate diversion of attention with the intention of trying to abandon the original argument.

Logical Form:

Argument A is presented by person 1.

It is trivial to show that both the God of the Bible and the God of the Torah cannot exist.

Person 2 introduces argument B.

You assert "I know you cannot show that they cannot exist.". In light of the fact that the six days claimed by both books does not match the observed roughly 13.8 billion years, please justify your assertion.

Argument A is abandoned.

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@anglophone I will also amuse you with a hint for you to further do scientific research. Time dilation. One observer sees a 13 billion year creation even (not that the big bang myth is fully correct) while another observer going a different speed sees a 6 day event.

@Word Yes, pismire.

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