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I am a former atheist, but after using psychedelics I have come to believe there is some form of energy that exists responsible for our earthly guidance. I don’t necessarily think there is one god, but an energy that manifests itself into our true desires. I have actually come into contact with beings on psychedelic compounds, and although it sounds like drugged up hippie mania, these experiences seemed much more real than just hallucinations. What do you guys think?

GODINDMT 3 Apr 10
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Put down the drugs and step away from the computer.....

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Psychedelic drugs do such a fine job of separating people from reality that I'm surprised most religious sects discourage rather than encourage their use.

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Funny how that works, isn't it? I have taken psychedelics more than twice in my life and I find the exact opposite to be the case for me. After a hard LSD trip a few months ago, I was more confident than ever that gods only exist inside the minds of humans. It was obvious for all 10 years of Christian school attendance despite the apologetics and circular reasoning they tossed my way.
One may want to go "god lite" with the whole energy charade. That's fine, if it keeps your dick hard, think what you want. Believe what you want, no skin off my ass. Just don't expect others to entertain your notions with a straight face.........my 3 cents.

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Sigh, I miss shrooms.

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If that makes you happy why not
Each person has its right of opinion
Remember like they say whatever you put in and that is what you get out
theory works psychedelic in and psychedelic experince out

Rosh Level 7 Apr 10, 2018
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I think that recreational substances produce very real and compelling personal subjective experiences sourced from your own mind, which is capable of more interesting stunts than you probably once thought it was. Or maybe even still think it is. What reason do you have to assume these experiences, however vivid or compelling, come from anywhere other than your own mind? What basis do you have to call things that we already have perfectly servicable and descriptive names for (the mind, the self, the unconscious, the universe, existence) god?

Finally -- how, in practice would you accurately distinguish between a "manifesting energy" and your own desires? Seeing as how it conveniently manifests in the form of your "true desires"?

What is far more likely to be true of your experiences with hallucinogenics is that they removed some inhibitions and filters and thinking conventions that allowed you to be more authentic or at least to feel more authentic and profound. And of course, being that they are hallucinogencis, that you hallucinated.

I can't count how many times I had dreams where bizarre things happened that seemed profound and meaningful and then upon awakening seemed silly and fanciful. I don't see why recreational drugs would be any different.

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I haven't used any psycho-affecting drugs, yet I have had similar experiences... let's call them visions. And I do believe them.

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I don't do recreational drugs.

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I think you should lay off the psychedelics.

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If you were actually an atheist and came to atheism from a critical thinking point of view, you would know that atheist hear stories of personal testimony all the time. They are often presented as evidence of this or that belief. Your claim in not unique. You might have touched God, but how are we to know? You might have just had an intense personal experience and are predisposed to believing it is more meaningful than chemistry. Or any number of things. There is no way for me or you to actually know.
My advise to you, as someone that has also played around with psychedelics is you have a strong dose of skepticism and introspection after. Too many things are being played around in the brain to have much confidence.

JeffB Level 6 Apr 10, 2018
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You are as high as a bat brother ... It's useful no doubt to use psycedilcs .. There are however two ways .. .. Micro dosing (just like it says) ... A tiny dose eveyday so small it could never get you high. That can have very positive effects.. I am not saying detaching from reality by taking more is not useful but it's a tool and nothing more. Nothing you feel or see there is more valid then when you are "straight".

The definition of the state hallucinogens put you in is, "PERCIEVED SENSORY ENHANCEMENT WITH SENSORY DEPRIVATION" .... So you are essentially delusional and as long as you can remember that you are okay. It is a great way to find ideas but that is all they are.. Idea's to be proven or dissproven when straight..

What is happening in your brain is you think you have extra senses when you have less. This causes the brain to fill in the gaps with sensory confusions often resulting in the sense a higher power must be present. I have met "god" on mushrooms lol ... but i never met god although i had what people call religous experience and have for thousands of years. It's just a complex set of brain conditions developed by plant toxins to defend themselves from our stupid ..

Read some Robert Anton Wilson maybe .. His best quote on it for me is, "If you are going to go into the chapel perilous you must be your own priest and worst critic"; what he means is if you are going to deprive yourself of that much sensory info whilst going into willing delusion prepare to potentially "feel" or percieve anything . and i mean anything .. Including the impression gods are around you .. he is also saying you have to be your own priest "incredibly supportive and understanding to yourself" .. you also need to be prapared to be very critical too as you are in there alone. It's your head after all. It's just the plants bud. Don't listen to em 😉

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This is part of the reason for religion to begin with, freaking out over seemingly unexplainable events.

godef Level 7 Apr 10, 2018
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I think being off your face is A) Your choice & B) Not the best way to come up with a cogent theory on Life, The Universe & Everything (Appropriate nod to Mr Adams)

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Yeah, I'd say it sounds like this is just due to the effect of the drugs on the brain, rather than "meeting god"

Tombo Level 2 Apr 10, 2018
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You need some science in your life. Neuroscience, to be specific. It wouldn't hurt to brush up on physics, either. "Energy", as you're using the word, has no relationship whatsoever to what it actually means.

Get educated, friend. I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Torq Level 5 Apr 10, 2018

I'm glad you liked it, @Donotbelieve, you are most welcome.
Here's a NDT meme as a bonus. : )

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I think you are the god figure you met during your trips. The totality of our brain, lit up from LSD or schrooms is a wonder of creation and overwhelming to the daytime consciousness.

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That is interesting, and very complicaated. Will you worship this entity?

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When on drugs, hallucinations seem much more real. Do you think it's because of, you know, drugs?

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You should read True Hallucinations by Terence McKenna. It's a good book. Comical. What you are experiencing is the astral realm or maybe even the aetheric realm which is a higher frequency than the astral. It's a medium that we exist in and per say inhabit, i. e., the faerie realm...? An extension of our physical bodies manifesting into pure consciousness, or light... It's interesting to experience these dimensions because you can draw alot of wisdom and introspection from them. The Shamans of Antiquity, I am sure you have read or heard of, do this for religious and spiritual diadem.

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Let's talk after your psychadelics wear off...

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Many People Who Have Used L.S.D. etc have reported "God" like experiences.This is simply the effect on the brain of these drugs.

Coldo Level 8 Apr 10, 2018
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Messing with receptors in the brain a God does not make. There have been studies where they blocked the receptors with other drugs and it caused the euphoria, hullicinations and I would guess that feeling of energy to stop. That energy manifesting itself is your brain misfiring. Might feel great and seem important but don't read too much into it.

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You're on the wrong forum. You need to find one with a credulous, gullible and, preferably, solvent readership and start your own religion by peddling your experiences to them.

Fab answer.

@GoldenDoll You're kind 🙂

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I think anyone that doesn't know what your talking about should smoke DMT a few times and then present their rational response. 😉 You really can have no sense of it except in the corsest way from spoken or written description. I do not believe in a diety... I try not to believe in anything. Instead I have strong opinions and favored thoughts... they are a little more mutable, and most of them are probably wrong.

I think there is a something. Not an "other" unknowable thing... but a thing which can and will be known. Not super natural, but wholly natural. Not an "it" but a pattern that pervades all. Can we exclude scales of consciousness beyond our own if we do not even agree as academics what consciousness even is? I think the biosphere and perhaps subordinate divisions of living sytems may be considered a cohered organism, and I am certainly not the fiirst to suggest it. If consciouness is a pattern of information being exchanged between our subordinate components... who is to say the pattern does not project beyond ourselves in the way we communicate amongst one another? There is much of the perceivable spectra of experience that is beyond our direct personal ability to observe... how often do you consider individual skin cells, specifically...? Do you give them names? If there is an order of awareness akin to the order of our "selves" in relation to the massive multicellular colony that is "our" bodies... I doubt that such an awareness would be any more successful at conversing with a human than I would be having quality discourse with an amoeba.

I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but there is absolutely no substance to what you say. Go talk to a monk, or something.

So a consciousness outside of our observable band of awareness?

@Markus i think these things are possible

@GlyndonD What is consciousness? Don’t be so lazy...

@Markus To be clear, I am not promoting a “god of the gaps”. Nor any kind of god at all. Before we can firmly declare there is no consciousness more sophisticated than a human brain, I think we need to have solid criteria on what exactly a consciousness even is. We do not have a consensus on that. If you look it up, you just get a lot of opinions, some more considered than others. Where do “you” reside in the brain? Are “you” to be found in some “master cell” in your brain? We already know that isn’t how it works. So what are the integral components of consciousness?

You are all true believers in mysticism. That is your right. It is my right to think and believe that what you say is not true, let alone profound.

Have fun, but beware the destruction of the brain caused by foreign substances and even harboring bad ideas.

@GlyndonD First of all... I prefaced my response with saying that these are thought's and not beliefs, and as such are probably wrong and prone to modification. These are not beliefs. They are thoughts. Speculations. "Speculating is a waste of time" Said NO inventor, innovator or theoretician, EVER.

I'm fine with the idea that all my concepts are baseless garbage. But that still does not answer the question, what is consciousness? What is your model, which is so clearly superior to you? You are confident that god does not exist (as I am), how sure are you that you exist? What is it that is you? Do you prefer not to think about it? Do you accept that you do not exist? Just shrug your shoulders and plod forward never knowing or wondering what it is you are? I am not advocating for Mysticism... rather asking the question, is ignorance the soul and only source of mysticism... or is there something else going on? A phenomenal subtext that gives rise to what is perceived as spiritual experience? I think it is easy and lazy to wave questions of consciousness away as delusional fantasy... but it has nothing to do with science, logic or reason. The dismissive hand waving arises from insecurity, not curiosity and openness to thoughtful exploration. This is the "Philosophy & Meaning" category after all.

The Gaia Hypothesis is not some "New Agey" kookery. It was fomented by James Lovelock and Lynn Margulis. Feel free to research those credentials. Their work does not infer a "global consciousness" but posits that the systems that regulate the global ecology strongly resemble the systems that regulate the metabolic function of an organism. I can't say it's a broadly accepted theory, but I don't think it's due to lack of rigor or viability. A lot of scientists are reluctant to see the biosphere as a cohered self-correcting system... in the same way they are reluctant to consider organic molecular structures smaller than a cell as "alive". but it really doesn't seem all that radical to me. Attacks on the theory often orient towards poking at data that suggests populations are detrimental to homeostasis... but my retort is simply that your time-line isn't long enough. Life does more than adapt to the environment... it changes it. We wouldn't be having this conversation if it weren't for the fact that cyanobacteria saturated the atmosphere and oceans with oxygen in the first billion years or so of life on earth.

@Anemynous Consciousness lies within the network interactions of brain cells, neurons, electrical impulses, electrochemical interactions, etc. All physical, and ultimately explainable within the realm of science and reason. There are no disembodied "spirits" that inhabit spaces within the skull. There are no disembodied spirits that float around inhabiting worlds or ecosystems.

Evolution has created equilibriums that exist on the planet, for sure, but it is not coordinated or managed. Thus, you may think of the Gaia god as a very romantic conspiracy theory -- nothing more.

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I think the key word here is psychedelics .

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