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The progressives I know always knew he was shite.

WilliamCharles 8 Dec 11
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It is very very good that Biden is not listening too much to Progressives. That would be the end of the Democratic party. Our misadventures like talking about socialist ideas, chasing after and celebrating lousy heroes like hunchback Bernie Sanders, talk Defund Police, Green New Deal have caused us to lose Senate and House seats. That is enough. Biden should play a lip service to progressives, get their votes and keep them out of all decision making. With progressives and socialists, we would hand over "Trifecta" control to Trump-likes and Republicans for 100 years to come.

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Give Biden a chance and judge him ion what his administration accomplishes, please. You pre-judgment is unwise and inappropriate/.

The judgment has come after his abominable appointments.

#FCKBDN

We have a 5 decade long career to judge him on. Theres no shortage of information to make judgements on joe biden

@WilliamCharles History will prove you wrong, And I will gladly say, "I t9old you so!"

@wordywalt

Spoken like someone who doesn't know much about history.

@RoboGraham Political since and political and intellectual history were among my foci in my master's program, and I was offered, but declined a fellowship in in international relations. So, as usual, your comments are dead wrong, insulting, and a pile of cap.

And, of my personal library, over 200 volumes were related to history and government. You greatest talents seem to be cynicism and attempted denegration

@wordywalt

Well, just by reading over the myriad of mistakes in your comment, it makes me a bit suspicious of your lofty claims about yourself, but sure I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

I said that you were speaking like a person who doesn't know much about history because you seem to be unaware of Biden's long and horrible record. Did you know he was one of the instrumental supports of the illegal war of aggression in Iraq? Did you know that he wrote the evil crime bill which ruined communities of color? Did you know that he wrote the precursor to the patriot act? Did you know that he wrote legislation that makes it impossible to file for bankruptcy over student loans? Did you know he has attempted to cut medicare and social security on many occasions? The list of terrible things that Biden has done goes on and on.

I pointed out the fact that we have a 5 decade long career to judge him on and you responded only with an angry face. So I'm assuming that you are not aware of all of those events in recent history that I pointed to above. So I said that your words sound like someone who doesn't know much about history. You've responded by patting yourself on the back about your achievements, and that's great, I'm all for people being knowledgeable, but I'd like to see you put that knowledge to use and realize what we are dealing with in this new president.

Since we are pointing out our credentials, I'll tell you mine. I've got a bachelors in history and a masters in education. I taught high school social studies back in my twenties. I've read many books as well. But more importantly, I'm paying attention to what our leaders are doing, are you?

@RoboGraham

So many people don't know that stuff about Biden. Or they are just willing to overlook it, which is nuts.

@Zoltans_Queen

And when you attempt to make them aware, they just get angry, like this @wordywalt guy. They say you're helping Trump, well now Trump has lost, so I'm curious to see what their next excuse for not criticizing Biden will be. I'm guessing they will say that I'm helping to elect republicans in the midterms 2 years from now.

@RoboGraham Why do you -persist in trying to peddle both your destructive cynicism and your continued derogation. Your seem to just want to argue in a mean-spirited manner, and unlikely to carry on a genuinely civil discourse.

@wordywalt

What's uncivil about my discourse? I'm attempting to discuss this subject in a substantive manner with you. I've told you very specifically why we have doubts about Biden and you have not even addressed it. All you have done here is tell us we are wrong and that when we are proven wrong, you will say, told you so. DO you have anything to go on? Are you capable of backing up what you claim with any substance?

If anyone is being mean spirited here, it's you, with all of your angry faces and accusations of cynicism and derogation. So how about you actually engage in the civil discourse that you claim I'm unlikely to carry on and tell me why it is that you believe we can't judge Biden on his long career of serving the special interests and harming poor people and minorities.

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The opportunity to push him left passed on election day.

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