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If i read things correctly, one of the reasons Covid vaccinations are going very slowly is a lack of nurses to administer them. When the AIDS epidemic was in full swing, i, a simple layperson, was taught the Home Visit nurses to administer IV's to my very ill Brother in Law, with whom i was caring for in Boston as he died.
There were Never enough Nurses then, either...many days, one would come at 8am, then the same one would return at 10pm, plainly exhausted, even in a big place like Boston.
Why do injections need someone with heavy medical training? Do not millions of diabetics inject themselves one or more times a day? For one example,.......

AnneWimsey 9 Jan 6
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This is just my best guess, but...

How, exactly, is that one RN going to supervise several amateurs giving shots? I mean, if this was not a highly contagious respiratory disease, the process could be simple: line 'em all up in a gym or something, have a crash cart ready just in case, and start innoculations.

But with THIS disease, we're supposed to keep 'em separate. So...how do we do that? Set up temporary barriers between stations? Then the nurse can't see what's going on. And you still have shared air in that large space.

Or maybe it doesn't matter - I mean, shared air in a large space isn't very different from the air-sharing that would happen when many people, one after the other, share the air of a small office, right?

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Think of it this way; training you how to insert and turn the key to a car is NOT teaching you all of the knowledge and skills that you need to drive. The injection is the easy part. How to deal with reactions and how to diagnose situations where you shouldn’t inject is years of nursing school.

I think OP is oversimplifying what goes into giving a shot

As someone who is extremely needle-phobic, I certainly don’t want an amateur shoving a foreign object into my muscle 🤢 (excuse me while I go breathe into a paper bag in hopes of not passing out)

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This makes sense to me. I asked my boyfriend, who’s an emergency room RN, and he said this:

Because if something happens to that person taking the injection, the nurse has the necessary medical training to intervene. That’s why we are BCLS and ACLS [basic/advanced cardiac life support] certified. Insulin is made up of hormones and has a much less opportunity to cause an allergic reaction. What people don’t know will hurt them. It’s not about merely knowing how to inject a needle.

Vaccinations are made up of many chemicals that a person has an opportunity to be allergic to. If they go into an anaphylactic shock, they will be fucked. That’s why after you receive an injection, you’re supposed to wait 30 minutes to make sure the allergic reaction does not occur.

Every person who has had an allergic reaction so far to the vaccinations has had a severe reaction causing them to have to receive epinephrine and CPR.

But that would make No difference as to Who injected the shot....6-8-10 trained volunteers under direct nurse supervision, perhaps in a hospital setting, the paperwork, post-injection waiting time & so on the same.....

@AnneWimsey Yes, I agree. That makes sense to me.

@AnneWimsey Reactions can take hours. In my area (MN, people have to wait in their vehicle until they receive a text indicating they can enter the building. The building is usually a police or fire station. Hospitals and clinics are not allowing people to bring someone with them to an appointment, there’s no way they’re going to let people sit around for hours waiting to see if they have a reaction to the vaccine.

Maybe if you live in a warm climate where you can be outside in a parking lot and socially distance. It’s currently 29 degrees where I live. I’m not standing outside for an injection and I certainly don’t want someone with a few hours of training injecting me while they’re shivering in the cold

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When nurses or other medical professionals get covid, they have to go into isolation for 2 weeks. That’s what is exasperating an already lack of nurses able to administer the vaccine

During the aids pandemic there may have been a shortage of nurses, but as far as I know, the ones who were available weren’t also going into quarantine for 2 weeks.

In the county I live in, Public Health nurses are administering the vaccine, nurses who work in clinics and hospitals are bogged down with patients.

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they don't but this is another example of trump not planning and causing death in our country

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Covid shots go deep into the muscle and so did my last "extra strength" flu shot. I'm not sure an individual could give themselves these shots.

no but anyone can be trained so we need to train some non medical ppl

NO way am i suggesting "do it yourself"!!!!!!!
IMO not possible as you describe..
I am saying trained volunteers under direct medical supervision.

@whiskywoman do you have a medical background? I’m curious to know how you know anyone can be trained to give an injection?

@Marcie1974 its not rocket science and I watch the news the covid shots are not like regular shots they are deep tissue shots and anyone can be trained to draw the serum and inject it
and I have some experience

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Insulin is just sub dermal needles, like Bill Bar, just a little prick.
Covid shots go deep into the muscle, and not nearly so easy to do it yourself.
We should train more nurses, free education, and offer citizenship to nurses all over the world.
Most of the nurses I know are Filipino and great at their work.

My brother in law had a "permanent" shunt, requiring large-needle saline injections to clean before hooking up the IV. Having injected him, (& myself, for years) I fail to understand why the fairly large area of the Upper arm wouldn't, with minimal training & of course on-site supervision by a nurse, (perhaps 5-10 trained "injectors", and a similar amount helping applicants fill out the paperwork) wouldn't massively speedup the rate of injections....

@AnneWimsey I agree, this shouldn't require a full registered nurse, they have as much training as a doctor and in many cases more. I know in these times many young people need work, a simple one to three days at most training could get a bunch of them qualified to at least inject thousands each.

good idea I like it

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