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Some people believe, or at least assert that voting by mail is immune to fraud, deception, or corruption.

I would like to ask these folks how they feel about purchasing firearms by mail. If they oppose this I would like to hear their explanation.

Purchasing firearms by mail was legal until 1968 and did not require any ID, proof of age, or background check.

I am not asking as an advocate. I’m just trying to explore thought processes and logical consistencies.

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dumasarok 7 Mar 5
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I find it interesting that none of my respondents have addressed the only actual question that I posed.

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Level 9

Comparing apples & rutabagas, are ya?

Thanks Anne. The depth of reasons you display.

@dumasarok i do not need a plethora of words to demolish a baseless, stupid premise, or attempt to shore one up.

@AnneWimsey I do enjoy the banter Anne. I will add that unsupported assertions do not make for persuasive argument. That said, I know that I am occasionally guilty of the same logical mistake. I do make an effort to be clear as I can.
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The people who contend that voting by mail is completely free from fraud is pretty insignificant. Any rational person knows if there is a will, there is a a way.

But the incidence voting by mail fraud is not much larger than voting in person. Like I said, where is a will, there is a way. The controversy over voting by mail is just a conservative retrumplican ruse. Many states have been voting by mail for several years and the incidence of fraud is statistically speaking insignificant.

This is just a way to deflect from a failed president and a failed Adminstration. Just remember, the exception does not make a rule. Which is also a retrumplican deflection technique.

He's addressing a very specific population that he says exists. Have you ever heard anyone allege that voting by mail is immune to fraud, deception or corruption? Is that population pretty insignificant or is it nonexistent?

Also, voter fraud is actually rarer by mail than in person.

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@LovinLarge

Nope

@t1nick Voter fraud are extremely isolated incidents. Republicans have it figured out. They commit election fraud, that is more rampant. Is voter suppression and gerrymandering a form of election fraud?

@barjoe

I would say so.
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Level 9

Can't do it on my county. I can buy ammo on sites like Cabellas. What does one thing have to do with the other? Nothing? I thought so. You just want to accuse the other side of cheating, so you can steal elections.

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I do not believer that anyone believes that voting by mail is entirely immune. immune to manipulation and corruption But with adequate controls, it is not a problem. As a whole, the controls currently in place are more than adequate, so there is not a problem. Purchasing guns by mail is a completely different and a much more dangerous problem.. Equating the two is either a logical error, or a deliberate attempt to manipulate thought.

What are the "adequate controls" that make the system impervious to fraud?

@Flowerwall I do not pretend to know the regulations in each state; but I take the word of state attorneys general that the controls are adequate. You are trying to ask a gotcha question. Why are you trying to make such an issue of coting by mail? i, like millions of other Americans, having been doing it fI have been doing it for a long time. It is a false issue generated by the idiot Trump and his corrupt followers.

@wordywalt "You are trying to ask a gotcha question." Okay, so did I "get you"? Do you feel "got"? I want to educate myself on the topic, personally, as I am not familiar with the controls and to my mind the system seems very open to fraud. For instance, issues of ballot harvesting and doing away with signature confirmation seem like a loosening, or removal, of controls, which is the the opposite of what you claim are adequate controls that keep the process problem free with regard to fraud. If there were certain regulations pushed by Repubs, then it became a situation where they continually won, controls against fraud would be THE most important issue in Dems minds. To me, controls against fraud are huge issues, on either side, and will always be, as I feel corruption at this point is probably running much deeper than we know.
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Faulty premise. Let's see your evidence that "some people believe, or at least assert that voting by mail is immune to fraud, deception, or corruption". You just made that up as a ploy to advance a pro-firearm argument.

I have yet to see a con on this website advance a valid argument. I don't know what happened to @Hages but at least he didn't make shit up.

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