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Does religion work without magical beings at its center?

Not the biggest ones. They all have magical superbeings at their center. The ancient Egyptians, Romans, and Greeks all worshiped magical beings, The God of Abraham is the most magical thing ever, even the Pagan religions have magical deities for their followers to worship.Without something supernatural to pray to, you can't have a religion.

What about Buddhism? Well, Saddartha Gautama is just a man but he's considered to be supremely enlightened so even he's something greater than just a man. This suggests that any good religion will have something at its center that is greater than any ordinary man. You can't build a religion around a guy named Henry from Ohio unless Henry can resurrect the dead or walk on water.

Problem is there's no evidence for the supernatural. None at all. So why are all these people convinced that something so easily disproven is real? Does religion make people or does religion appeal to people?

Sgt_Spanky 8 Mar 25
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I forgot the big one, but a new member reminded me today. The one big religion without a deity, is 'Art. Especially, high art, the belief that use of certain crafts and media can put you into contact with higher wisdom and truth. And like all religions it has a priesthood, ( critics etc. ) it collects power, respect and money from the gullible, and it is used to give authority and respectability, to often inhuman ideologies, which would struggle to earn respect without it.

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I'm a Taoist and some would say it's a religion. I disagree, I think it is a personal discipline and guide, but it has no Deity. Tao simply means The Way and can't be named. I think of it more like The Force.

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A religion without a supernatural element is an ideology.
Ideologies require thought, decisions and responsibility being taken
Religions do not, it requires only submission, obedience and self abnegation.
Hence religion being far more popular than ideologies, with the possible exception of totalitarianism, which replaces the supernatural with mythological idealisms until people are sufficiently brain washed to accept full blown magical thinking.

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It’s not so easily disproven, because it is actually UNproven.

Mvtt Level 7 Mar 26, 2021

Semantics. The point is the same.

@Sgt_Spanky I’ll explain further: we cannot prove what cannot be proven.

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Religion ... pure and faultless is this: to help widows and orphans in need and avoiding worldly corruption. James 1:27.

I don't see anything specifically supernatural about helping widows and orphans while avoiding worldly corruption.

Word Level 8 Mar 26, 2021

Are you a fruit farmer by any chance ?, Picking cherries seems to be your favourite pastime.

Religion is about selling bullshit and lies for profit. Widows and orphans don't enter into it unless they too can be monetized.

@Sgt_Spanky that's capitalism not religion. Unless you want to call the government of the United States of America a religion.

@Word Are you unaware that religion is a business?

@Sgt_Spanky so that they could not BUY or SELL unless they had [government issued identification] Revelations 13:17

Yes, It has been written for 2000 years that Identification for taxation and government control will be required.

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There are those who just look for easy answers.

There certainly are, billions of them, in fact.

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"You can't build a religion around a guy named Henry from Ohio unless Henry can resurrect the dead or walk on water."

Maybe not a guy named Henry from Ohio, but a guy named Joe Smith from upstate New York succeeded in starting a religion that now numbers over 16 million members, just by saying an angel gave him gold tablets that only he could interpret!

A guy named Henry from Ohio can start a religion just like Joe Smith from Upstate New York did so long as he doesn't place himself at the center of it. He can make himself peripheral to it as Joe Smith did but Smith still put GOD at its center. You have to have the magic guy so ppl can feel comfortable subjugating themselves to a higher being.

The LDS does not have 16 million members, as they claim, because many of those are inactive, non practicing and are in many cases dead. (Being dead does not stop the Mormons from baptising you, Adolf Hitler for instance appears on the membership rolls three times)
Extrapolating from tithing figures in countries where the LDS are required to file tax returns to maintain charitable status and tax exception (unlike the US where they are not) the LDS at a generous estimate have approximately 5 million active tithe paying members as of 2015.
However after revelation of the LDS church secret holding of approximately $100Billion dollars in tax haven banks all over the world and another $15 billion in stock market investments under various holding companies, their interests in the Bonneville media empire which they own outright and other business empires in south America, Scandinavia, the UK, and the Cayman Islands, the church no longer has to worry too much about members and tithing, so long as they still have enough to claim to be a church and continue to avoid taxes.

@Sgt_Spanky I understand the distinction you're making, but whether the name is Joseph Smith, Ellen G. White, Mohammed, Jesus Christ or Moses, self-anointed prophets make claims regarding their 'special' abilities to communicate with a 'higher power' who imparts (according to the prophet) knowledge and guidance that become religious teaching and doctrine. And while followers rally around the so-called prophet during their lifetime, it takes their death to allow for them to be elevated, if not deified, through the fabrication of wonders and miracles.

These self-serving narcissists I have mentioned, and others, may have claimed that God was at the center, but it was always all about them. Remove the prophet from the equation, and the religion would not have existed.

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I could say a lot, but none of it would be complimentary.

It's the thought that counts.

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