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This subject matter might be a bit macabre to most, but I recently came across an article saying that in Amsterdam they were introducing a technology called a "suicide pod" where someone could climb in it and once the hatch is shut, the pod fills up with nitrogen gas and the user becomes dizzy, goes unconscious and passes away peacefully. Now it didn't specify whether this is something one could purchase and have within their home or if this would be available within a hospital/hospice situation; it also didn't specify what happens to the deceased's body afterwards.
So my question to you free thinkers and logic-guided folks is: do you think this is a technology that should exist? And furthermore is it even ethical? Discuss.

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AssassinofWords 5 Apr 19
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I voted for within reason, but im not sure nitrogen gas would be the best way to go "peacefully".

Tejas Level 8 Apr 19, 2018

I wouldn't have thought nitrogen gas would be a bad way to go. Your body is slowly starved of oxygen, you lose consciousness, and ultimately, you die. It isn't going to be instant, so you'd need to be relaxed and resigned to committing suicide. Indeed, you would hope that each of these booths would have an 'abort' button that flushed out the nitrogen and boosted the oxygen, for those who changed their minds part way through the process.

The sense of "I can't breathe" is actually your body's response to a build-up of carbon dioxide rather than a lack of oxygen. This is why carbon monoxide is so dangerous, because exposure to it doesn't create an immediate response, it blocks the uptake of oxygen by your bloodstream, and by the time serious symptoms start to appear (headaches etc.) victims have often already fallen unconscious.

@NicoleCadmium In my opinion it hasn't been tested in a controlled setting where a lethal amount is used enough on humans to get my support. Oklahoma just passed a law that allowed the use of it it executions. Reading further into it though, I found alot of support in favor of using it in executions and in assisted suicide articles. But i did come across an article or two that said it took more fifteen to twenty minutes to die and that it might not be so painless in those cases.

@Tejas There's no lethal amount of nitrogen. Nearly 80% of the air you breathe is nitrogen. The method of death is to remove the roughly 20% that's normally oxygen.

It's a very similar mechanism to carbon monoxide poisoning, as I mentioned earlier (though rather than removing the oxygen, carbon monoxide enters your bloodstream instead of it.) Headaches, dizziness and nausea are the worst symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning (aside from death, obviously.) I can't imagine the symptoms of breathing what's effectively air with the oxygen removed being any worse than that. Back in the days of carbon monoxide coal gas, turn on the gas oven, don't light it, and put your head inside was quite a common suicide method.

So death by this method is likely to be a process of feeling lightheaded and perhaps having a bit of a headache, losing consciousness, and ultimately dying. It's about as humane a method of ending life as I can think of.

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Not only is this barbaric but it's also not very cost-effective. Who are they going to pay to go clean up all the bodies? Who are they going to pay to deal with the fallout of the family suing the company because their loved one killed themselves because of an argument? In the US we have assisted euthanasia. That's where a doctor gives you a prescription, if you have a terminal illness, that will allow you to die peacefully. But notice how you have to have a doctor. People with mental illness, people like me, should not have access to easy suicide. That's moronic and barbaric. Temporary problems are temporary. But those people, people like myself, don't think of it that way. They can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. And then they take their lives when they shouldn't. Doctor assisted suicide, yes. Suicide pods, no.

Also I have to agree with Simon, I think you're thinking of Futurama.

If you’re speaking of depression ..use it as a tool. Allow yourself to function at a base level, as if life’s just no fun … and as the basics are taken care of, better stuff seeps in… If it’s bipolar, harder to balance, but stay focused on the basics.. Just stay engaged 🙂

There's nothing in this question that indicates that these pods would have any lesser restrictions on their use than assisted suicide. It's merely a description of the technology, and none of the answers choices would suggest indiscriminate use of the device. Nitrogen is a nontoxic gas and is relatively easy to acquire. And an airtight chamber with a valve to allow it to be filled with nitrogen wouldn't be terribly difficult to design and build.

I'm not suggesting that you should change your opinion. I just wanted to point out that there's nothing in the post to indicate that these things would be readily available to anyone who wanted to end their own lives for any reason.

I am not in favor of restricting the right of people to make mistakes. We should strive to make people not stupid, but making stupid decisions that cost lives is something that happens all the time. And sometimes a stupid decision might actually turn out great.

As for cost, it would be lower than taking oneself out in any other manner. Just have a private entity rent pods (I am trademarking The Death Hotel) and call a contact or dump the body at a specified funerary, and all is taken care of.

@Varn dude, are you serious? 'once the basics get taken care of, the better stuff seeps in.."?? that would be the last thing i'd want to hear as a depressive. ignorant simplifications, imo. or are we not allowed to have dissenting views on this forum?

@nightowlthat would be the last thing i'd want to hear as a depressive.” Then how do you know? Let me guess.. you’d appreciate a more confusing, if clinical answer, leading to drug addiction. Dissent all you want, just add more than criticism in the process.

Thanks for the replies. I really enjoyed them.

@Vern I'm bipolar and I'm not sure what you mean by allowing myself to function on the basic level.

@JimG very good point. If the pod requires a prescription then I'm cool with it.

@Chad I was far to broad with that. I should have said in a few states in the US. You are 100% correct.

@Varn i was afraid i'd left a negative tone- so, fair enough you bring that up- however, the point maintains...being a depressive, i do know. now, i am curious about what you mean about- "i'd appreciate a clinical answer, leading to drug addiction'? for the record, do you really think anyone needs someone telling them how to express themselves? a bit critical, dontchya think?

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I think I've heard about this somewhere else

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I do favor the idea of euthanasia...even self- administered. I don't really see much point to using a pod of this type though. For one thing, you can be sure it's not cheap. For another thing, there is so much controversy surrounding this subject that I'd prefer to avoid it. Imagine the potential protest from family, friends and well intentioned others...such as the FedEx driver who delivers it and mentions it to his pro-life group who get the media involved, creating a circus for you. (Or for your family if you're quick enough.)
And thirdly, why would you pay for this and invite all the problems when you already have this free and for the taking at any moment? It's called your car and some carbon monoxide. Quick, easy, painless. Though I'd recommend talking to a psychiatrist or clergyman before seriously considering such a measure!

I imagine it is expensive as it's a newly developed technology and because of its subject matter it will be controversial. As for the hose in the exhaust type deal, a lot of times people intervene and the person trying commit suicide survive and are more messed up afterwards. This seems quick and virtually painless from my understanding.

@AssassinofWords Yes indeed...if I were to attempt such a thing I would certainly do my best to plan it for a time when any intervention was unlikely. Maybe find a remote place where I'd be unlikely to be found. Or just lock myself in the car, in the garage, at a time I was mostly sure I had plenty of time execute such a plan. I suppose nothing is 100% foolproof but I'd try for at least 99%.

I also have heard that it is fairly quick and painless...like just getting really sleepy and falling deeply asleep and never waking up. In my high school years I knew a guy who died of carbon monoxide poisoning along with his parents and brothers and sisters in their family home. A chimney vent was blocked or something. But it was interesting that they were all found in their beds, apparently looking like they were peacefully sleeping and with no sign of stress or discomfort. Very sad though.

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Is this the site you found?

[straitstimes.com]

Betty Level 8 Apr 19, 2018

I came across it on another article but yes this is the pod I was referring to.

@AssassinofWords

In my opinion, there are pros and cons to the availability of this technology. For those who are at peace that every avenue has been explored then this may be a viable option.

The potential for abuse and exploitation for profit is high and that makes me very uncomfortable and quite frankly, fearful.

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No real opinion on that, but I suppose it would be ethical so long as it is not forced upon anyone. For the most part, I am at peace with any technology, it's the actions of my fellow human beings that concerns me. With that said, the suicide pod you described above reminds me of an episode of the animated series Futurama, where Fry and Bender take a visit to their local suicide booth.

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I recall in one of her more morose moments, my daughter quipping, "Just being born sentences you to the longest form of suicide...LIFE!" Teen angst I suppose, but I found it interesting to consider. In that sense, every single one of us IS dying right now...all we can hope for is very long, slow (and happy) experience of it. Those who terminate their vital functions earlier than others are simply choosing a shorter time frame between DOB and DOD on their gravestone. (BTW...my daughter grew up into lovely, well adjusted lady who serves others as an occupational therapist.)

I think it's sad when a bright and promising mind that could have made the planet a better place is terminated prematurely. The planet needs more of those! But how many of us are really going to be remembered for a major contribution to humanity after we're gone? How about a hundred years from now? Sadly, not a great number of us. Maybe just being a good and productive person is enough but I feel like it would be nice to give more. And that brings me to the next idea on death by choice.

What if you were diagnosed with an incurable disease and knew that your death would be lingering, painful and debilitating and you were going to hate being stuck in that body...BUT you had a chance to die by offering your self for a cause you thought was noble or worthy or honorable and maybe even heroic...would you do it? What would you be willing to do?

I think of the young and healthy "kids" who are called upon to sacrifice their life for their country every single day somewhere in the world. If I were terminally ill, I'd be wishing I could take their place. I think of the young Russian sailors who had to enter a radiation contaminated area to fix a serious issue on a nuclear powered vessel while knowing it meant certain death. But they knew that if they didn't do it, it would be catastrophic for the entire crew (and then anyone else who might arrive on scene after the fact,) Or how about kamikaze pilots? They were heroic to their people. I suppose suicide bombers would be regarded as heroic within their culture. How great might it be if a young, healthy life was saved because someone who was already on borrowed time did the deed instead?

How about volunteering your still living body as a human guinea pig for clinical trials of a promising new treatment that might end up being a life saver for many in the future...but that hadn't been tried on humans yet and there was a good possibility of death? Why not? How about offering yoursef in place of a hostage?

So, back to my earlier question: If you were terminally ill and facing a painful and debilitating death and decided you'd prefer to check out early...what would YOU be willing to do to make your death more honorable or heroic or just useful?

For me...I'm thinking of Kurt Russell's death scene in Poseidon...sacrificing himself so others (including his daughter) could have a chance for life. A death not wasted.

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I wish this had been available for my father. He was dying of prostate cancer that had metastasized to his bones which is an incredibly painful way to die. He finally stopped eating and refused liquids. Surprisingly, the medical research shows this is a relative 'good' way to die except for being protracted.

Quick, painless and humane. That's why I thought it was an interesting concept because people like your father (my condolences, by the way) can end their suffering with dignity and without regret.

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While I respect the arguments for euthanasia, I think having a publicly available, culturally acceptable form of suicide would have very negative side effects. Picture this: any time a lawmaker introduces a bill that adversely affects the poor or minorities, they can simply 'justify' it by pointing to the suicide booths as a 'viable alternative' to those who 'can't pull their weight'. We'd be right back to eugenics, only socially and economically enforced rather than militarily. I would much rather see free, publicly available doctors and therapists for people feeling suicidal, as well as real, meaningful action to resolve the underlying issues leading to suicidal thought.

Naturally laws governing it's usage would be put in place as people will always try to corrupt something for their own nefarious purposes. I imagine this would be available to medically trained staff.

@AssassinofWords The how is the catch. I could see, potentially, it being well-administered. But I could also see any such administration corrupted. It would be a very slippery slope. That's not to say it couldn't be done, but that's why I would much prefer solutions first

@DonThiebaut Like all technologies, it's all in the application. I'd be naive to think this would be used in its purest, most ideal form which is to ease the suffering of those with no other options except to garner some peace before moving onto whatever's next.

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What if they are immobile, or simply unable to maneuverr? Which might be the majority of potential users.

I suppose they'd gain some assistance into the pod just as they receive it during every day life.

@AssassinofWords But then the purpose of the pod, relieving others of responsibility, is moot?!

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Not to be flippant...but I have to pull away from sentimentality and In light of the Darwin Award era...I mean...why not? Open to anyone ...

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