@powder
What part of the Webster definition do you feel the covid vaccines don’t meet?

@powder
Herd immunity will never be achieved with a vaccine that people don’t take.

@powder
You are preferencing the parts of the article that suit your narrative, and ignoring the parts that don’t. You fail to mention that, in that same article, the CDC says that...

“no deaths were reported”

and

“vaccination is the most important strategy to prevent severe illness and death.”

No vaccine has ever been 100% effective. That doesn’t mean that it is therefore useless. The effectiveness of these mRNA vaccines is much higher than traditional vaccines.

The breakthrough cases were mostly of the Delta variant, which are not the virus the vaccines were designed for, and incidentally would not even exist if people had taken the vaccines when they were first made available. And yet they are still substantially effective at preventing serious illness and death.

If you are going to redistribute recommendations from the CDC, it would be better to give the whole message instead of editing it to sound like it matches your prejudices.

The CDC says the vaccines are the best thing we have to fight this pandemic at this time. They do not say “there is no meaningful immunity.”

Please stop spreading counterproductive misinformation.

Please.

@powder

What’s the difference between “no meaningful immunity” and “useless”?

What part of

“a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease”

do you feel these vaccines don’t meet?

@powder
What if we called them by a different name? What then?

@powder
“

•   The data reported from these states indicate that breakthrough cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are extremely rare events among those who are fully vaccinated against COVID-19 (see Figure 1). The rate of breakthrough cases reported among those fully vaccinated is well below 1% in all reporting states, ranging from 0.01% in Connecticut to 0.29% in Alaska.

  •   The hospitalization rate among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 ranged from effectively zero (0.00%) in California, Delaware, D.C., Indiana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Vermont, and Virginia to 0.06% in Arkansas. (Note: Hospitalization may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)

  • The rates of death among fully vaccinated people with COVID-19 were even lower, effectively zero (0.00%) in all but two reporting states, Arkansas and Michigan where they were 0.01%. (Note: Deaths may or may not have been due to COVID-19.)”

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@powder
What part of the definition you supplied is not met by the covid vaccines?

@powder
The vaccines were formulated for Alpha. 90% of those infected in the MA. event were Delta. You can't blame "vaccines" for the failure to work on viruses they weren't designed to treat at all. Also you can't judge the efficacy of any vaccine on a single event. The overall breakthrough cases are nowhere near 74%.

There is nothing in any definition of the words vaccine or vaccination that stipulates 100% effectiveness, or indeed, any rate of effectiveness at all. The mechanism by which it works - stimulating the immune system - is what makes it a vaccine. Maybe the medical definition (as opposed to Webster's dictionary) is not as strict as you have come to believe. But even Webster doesn't back you up here.

@powder
Change is difficult. The unknown is terrifying. Progress is change. New viruses throw us into the unknown for a time.

The old way of making vaccines took decades while people suffered, were permanently crippled, or died. We have now discovered a way of making vaccines that takes only months. That’s progress... and it represents a change that we are challenged to adjust to. And there are still many unknowns. It just takes time to fill those voids.

When people go on social media and fortify negative impressions of these vaccines, all it does is make people more reluctant to take them. That’s counterproductive.

If you feel you know better than the world’s collective medical establishment what these medicines should be called... well, maybe you should take it up with them privately. Have you called the CDC with your concerns?

I don’t have the medical training you have, so I have to depend, like most folks, on what the professionals tell me. I’d rather get my information from them than from FaceBook. But a lot of people don’t make that distinction, and can be made more reluctant to take the vaccine when they hear negativity on social media. That makes our struggle with the novel and the unknown just that much harder, and more deadly.

Please take it up with the proper medical authorities directly in private, and then when you have straightened them out, we will hear your message through them. Thanks.