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Apparently, two thirds of Americans don't have passports (while one fifth of Brits don't have passports). Why is that, then? Is it to do with income, education, a lack of interest in the outside world or something else? If you live elsewhere other than the US and the UK, what are the stats like in your countries?

Ryo1 8 Aug 13
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One of the best things my parents did for me was take all four of us kids on an art tour of Europe when was 15. I fell in love with the sculptures of Michaelangelo and Impressionist art (Monet, Van Gogh, Joseph Turner, Manet, etc.)

Sitting on a beach in Portugal, people ran through four languages until landing on English so we could chat. As an American, I felt arrogant and embarrassed.

First we spent a week in New York City enjoying museums, culture and Broadway shows. It was a wonderful experience.

I laughed when Americans went nuts over America's 200th bicentennial celebration. Consider ancient cultures of thousands of years in Europe, the Mideast, China and more.

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Coliseum in Rome. That's me in sunglasses wearing a striped dress. Age 15.

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Different life styles , different needs , different demons , and different distance .
I lived in Europe up to 25yr old .
Taking a train or a plane for the wknd wasn’t a big deal . No planning either . I can’t recall how many times I left Greece or Italy on a Saturday morning to land in London or Paris for a cup of coffee , a walk and a talk . Not expensive , not time consuming , and still fine to be back Monday .
Most Europeans of my era , did not reproduced on their 20s either . Or went to church on Sunday . Freedom of time and freedom of money , we lived in aprtmnts and there was no pressure to have the house , the yard , and whatever else Americans feel that they have to slave for . Different life styles . Different life philosophy . Period 😂

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I don't have a passport and never have had one. This is because I've never traveled outside the U.S. due to lack of disposable income to do so.

Also, the U.S. is a big country. I'm within a few hours drive to the coast, mountains, swamp and wetlands, forests, semi-tropical islands, a multitude of amusement parks, national parks, lakes and rivers.

I'm not saying I would not like to travel abroad. I'd love to visit Italy, Spain, New Zealand, Ireland, and other places but traveling overseas is simply too expensive for me.

Yes that is what I used to say. But I was fortunate to find a modicum of spare income, in middle life, and to travel. It was such a good experience, that I would now be happy to spend my last cent on travel and then lay down and die, in the knowledge that I had done as much as I could, to see as much as I could, of this wonderful planet, which is all the justification for happiness in life that is needed I think.

Ah, well, fair enough. Thanks for your honest answer. One day, you might be able to travel in Europe and NZ. A friend of mine and his wife retired together only a few weeks ago. They sold their house and bought a motor home. They've gone to travel around in Europe for 9 months!

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Yes it's amazing but most people never even leave their town in the U.S. let alone go to another state, another country, out of the question. You can't understand other people and other cultures unless you deal with the people and the places. Just feeds the racism in the U.S. I'm calling it lack of interest with lack of income secondary these days since travel costs are way up.

lerlo Level 8 Aug 13, 2021
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One reason is the shear size of the US. over 3000 miles east to west and over 1000 north to south. Until 9/11 we could travel from, the north pole almost to the equator with just our driver's license. So there was little need for a passport.

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UK citizens can very inexpensively travel to the European mainland where they will need a passport now that they are no longer an EU country. More than likely the number of passports for UK citizens will go up because they've left the EU.

Most Americans just don't have the money to travel overseas.

Many Americans' focus is so much on travelling within their own country because it is vast, which is understandable, and therefore, they seem to assume that Brits also only travel within Europe, which is also vast, even larger than the US. It's kinda inward looking if I'm honest. Many Brits also travel outside Europe. The USA is the most visited country outside of Europe. 🙂

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I think with so few Americans traveling internationally, people aren’t hearing about it or seeing it as an option for themselves — unless they just naturally take an interest in other places and cultures (which is what happened to me).

There seems to be a general lack of curiosity about other places … possibly due to enthocentlrism … perhaps due to mental laziness. I’ve spoken with people who don’t travel because they literally just don’t care. I’ll never understand that.

On the other hand, those of us Americans who do travel internationally tend to be rabid about it. We go lots and lots of places and always have at least one trip being planned on the back burner.

PS – I feel it necessary to add that many people are poor (and/or in great debt) … and also many companies still give only 2 weeks of vacation a year — which is a crime against humanity, IMO.

Good points.

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It's not much of an excuse to claim the size of the USA, or the variety of climate means one does not have to travel.
I know many people, myself included, who have travelled to many parts of the USA. Trans-Atlantic package flights are remarkably cheap.
(I pay more to drive from Southern Spain to UK than it costs to fly, but, like many others, I enjoy the scenery and culture of the journey.)
Whilst financial constraints are a factor, I sincerely believe the main culprit is lack of paid leave from work.. A decent visit abroad takes at least 3 weeks.

Here is the UK entitlement:-
Like the National Minimum Wage, the 28 days paid holiday entitlement is the legal minimum, but most staff get more than this. The average UK holiday entitlement including public holidays is 33.5 days – that's more than a week above the statutory minimum.

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I haven't been able to do a lot of international traveling but it's not for lack of desire, it's limited cash and time. My parents were well-traveled and I'd hoped to follow in their footsteps. But I have my passport, and just made sure my daughter's was renewed, because things may open up more after Covid and I want to be ready.

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Before I got my passport, I had traveled on 3 different continents and 5 countries. After I left the Air Force, I never had a job that allowed me enough time off to be able to travel internationally more than just to Mexico or Canada. I did have enough time to be able to take trips of several thousand miles.

Europe has 44 countries in roughly the same area as the US, so there is that too.

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You can do a lot of traveling in this country without a passport. Britain is much smaller. I don't think it's lack of interest - I think it's a lack of necessity.

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Architecture in Europe is wonderful. I was thrilled by soaring buildings by Michaelangelo (St. Peters Basicila) and Leonardo da Vinci in Italy, medieval and Gothic architecture at Oxford University in England, and much more.

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Too many buy the crap that Murica is the "greatest country". They don't know what they don't know.

SOOO true!

Ha, ha, there is nothing wrong with liking your own country. I must admit, though, that the concept that because your country is so great that you don't need to know the outside world baffles me.

Fortunately, there is no connection between our political/social worth and our land. Our natural qualities leave nothing to be desired. That is all I ever travel to experience.

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I have been in all US states (except Alaska) and most of Canada by car/motorcycle, but never had a passport.
I have a pilots' license but never had a passport. 😛

Part if is is cost.
I might enjoy visiting historical sites (Easter Island, Angkor Wat, Machu Picchu, Parthenon, etc), but I reject most culture (even US).
I advocate a universal (structured) language like Esperanto (others).

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According to Statistica 42% of Amercans had a valid passport in 2017.

You do realise that passports enable Americans to leave the US.

I well remember when the Great Duke of Wellington was Prime Minister and a proposal was mooted to link Bristol by rail to London. Wellington's response was unequivocal: "Certainly not. It will only encourage the lower classes to move about", needlessly.

Thanks for the stats from 2017. I don't mean to be rude, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here...

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We are kind of big unlike Europe , so many don't need one

bobwjr Level 10 Aug 14, 2021

Europe is larger in land area than the U.S., i.e., Europe has a bigger land area (3,910,680 sq miles) than the U.S. (3,531,905 sq miles), yet many Europeans love travelling out of Europe. The size of one's country and one's interest in visiting other countries don't seem to be connected. It is an interesting notion I'm getting here that Americans don't visit other countries because there is "no need "to do so. Personally, I love visiting other countries and have glimpses of different cultures. I don't "need" to do so; I "want" to do so. Some Brits are not interested in travelling abroad, either. They are perfectly comfortable with what they have.

@Ryo1 Just not as easy, Mexico and Canada are easily gotten to the rest required air travel. And the varied cultural differences within our country and neighbors

@Ryo1 Great Britain is only 80, 823 sq miles the US is 3,500,00+ square miles Brits should have a much higher percentage of their population with passports, Since you left the EU, don't you need one to take a quick trip through the chunnel?

@glennlab EU citizens (including Brits before Brexit) still have to have their own national ID cards/passports, but don't have to show them when travelling from one border-free Schengen EU country to another. The UK was never a Schengen member state, so Brits have always needed to have their passports when travel to Europe. BTW, the EU and the Schengen area are two different things. Neither of them cover the entire Europe, so, even if you are an EU citizen, once you are out of the Schengen area (although you're still within Europe), you are asked to present your passport.

@Ryo1 so how far can you travel without a passport currently? that would explain a lot. depending omn the direction it can take me 6 hours at 70-75 mph just to get out of Texas.

@glennlab I live in the south. I went to Edinburgh (Scotland) once by air. It would've taken 6 hours to get there by car, at 70-75 mph, easily. If you had enough money and time, would you be interested in visiting foreign countries? Some are not interested in the outside worlds, i.e., some never travel out of the UK, in which case, there is no need for them to obtain passports, naturally.

@Ryo1 I have traveled to other countries and may again if we ever get out from under this plague. I am not up to the 20+ hour flights to Asia anymore. I have wanderlust in my soul, but my wallet limits my travels.

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I did my traveling when I was young. I am well versed in international relations and politics and in the beliefs and characteristics of different cultures. One does not necessarily need a passport to understand much of the world.

"One does not necessarily need a passport to understand much of the world." Point taken, but IMO, you can't beat hands-on experience. After all, we are tactile animals. For example, you can find so much about the Sahara Desert on the Internet beforehand (covers an incredible 9.2 million km², which is almost the same size as China), yet you actually go there and feel overwhelmed (again) by how vast it is. You feel the sand as you walk and realise it is nothing like walking on a sandy beach. You hold some in your hand and realise how hot and dry and fine it is. You then go on a camel ride and find how different it is from riding a horse. Back in the local town where you are staying, the streets smell different from the smells you are used to back in your hometown in the US. You pop in a souvenir shop and find no price tickets attached to any products, and then you realise that you have to haggle (lol), etc., etc. You get my drift.

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I've never had a passport. Only been out of country on a cruise and didn't need it then. Family didn't have much money growing up, only took a couple of family vacations.

Thanks for your honest response. Yes, it is a matter of priority. Your parents had their priorities right. A fool like me put travelling ahead of needing to replace my old boiler. Lol

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American here. My list includes language barriers, costs, not wanting to travel by air, time, disease, deadly insects, fear of being a target due to being a foreigner... I had wanted to visit all US states and possibly our territories however with the way the pandemic has been handled I'm reconsidering this life goal. The goal probably wasn't attainable anyhow. Do you have a passport? Why or why not? If so have you used it?

BTW I have been to Canada. Although, I'm only a 20 minute drive away. No passport needed.

Yes, I have a passport. Until the pandemic began, I had travelled abroad every year. Apart from the countries where I have family and friends, I usually go on package tours with some free time incorporated in them. Package tours are often cheaper than travelling solo. It's safer, too. They cover typical touristy places and events, plus excursions you can choose from. Time and money can be a problem. I am self-employed, so, every time I go away, I lose money. But I'm prepared for it because I like travelling. If you so long to do something you tend to save money and make time for it.

@Ryo1 I'm the one that enjoys(ed) travel. My husband not so much. He would loath spending a vacation with a group. I plan it out and usually need to have us leave on a Friday and be back by Monday. Which doesn't leave room for international travel.

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The US is extraordinarily huge and varied. Leaving is an unneeded hassle. Call me myopic if you wish, but only after you have camped in every national park here, and visited at least half the counties.

Myopic, indeed.

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The United States is the size of all Europe. Europe has many states in close proximity to UK. A passport is more of a necessity for Brits and Europeans. I worked at a major hotel for years with many Brits, I didn't find them to be remarkably bright, no offense.

I live among a large number of Britons who have settled in/retired to Spain. I don't find the majority to be all that bright, either.

@Petter I found them to be nice people, but the "blokes" I worked with were shallow, even by American standards.

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Some would say perhaps that it is just a matter of size, Britain is quite small in square miles compared with the US, to make similar journeys for a Britain you have to travel at least across Europe. But on the other hand Europe is huge compared with the US in terms of cultural differences, so that in human terms travel in Europe take you much further than travel in the US, so it could be that Americans are less open to adventure yes.

So far, I'm under the impression that many Americans are insular. It's not the first time I heard some Americans saying that they live in the best country in the world so there is no need to travel abroad... It's great that they are proud of their country, but that's not the point, is it? The size of the country also seems irrelevant to why Americans don't travel abroad. China is huge and the Chinese are great travellers. I'm curious about the outside world. When I visit a foreign country, I interact with locals, trying some words and phrases I picked up off the Internet on them (that normally makes them laugh); I try local foods including how to eat them (Italians fold a pizza in half and eat it on the street like a pasty for example, and a pasta dish is a starter to them); I admire old magnificent buildings that are centuries old and often have distinctive smells inside; I enjoy walking tours where local guides tell you funny stories; and much more. I basically enjoy hands-on experience. It's not the same as getting information about other countries on YouTube, etc.

@Ryo1 Yes, I could not agree with that more. See also if you like my reply to Charles1971 above.

@Ryo1 I live in the U.S. and I'd never say that I live in the best country in the world. Oh, sure, it has some pros but also a shitload of cons. But a lot of places aren't really all that better and plenty of places are worse. Many places are better in some regards but not so much better in other regards. There are some very nice places that just get way too much cold weather and snow for me.

Even if money were not an issue, there aren't many places I'd rather live... although I've never traveled to other countries so I don't know what they are really like. I think I might like New Zealand but there may be bad things about NZ that I'm not aware of.

@Charles1971 No countries are perfect, though. Plus, having a holiday (vacation) in a foreign country is completely different from actually living there as a citizen. You visit different countries, experience their cultures and have a glimpse of the good side and the bad. They may make you appreciate your country more or make you feel a little jealous or you may find it all eye-opening or shocking.
Incidentally, this is what Brits have to put up with (see the image), so if you ever fancy visiting England, come between May and August when the chance of rain is reasonably small. Lol

@Charles1971 It is not really about whether a country is better or worse. I would not like live full time in many of the countries I visited. Some of the Islamic states I have visited may well be absolute misery to live in long term, yet they were also some of the most rewarding places to visit I have been to. If only because of the way people respond to life, often with the greatest warmth and humanity, in countries where life is difficult, and they can often show you where your own country fails in some things even though they may not overall be as good.

I remember in one Islamic country we got lost, and were forced to stop at a tiny, family run, back street supermarket for toilets and food. It did not have any foriegn visitors normally, but an aunt who had been to Britain and spoke English was sent for, so that she could explain the menu in the cafeteria to us. And while we ate the young ladies at the till packed my shopping into bags. In the same country, a hotel porter who saw that I had bought some local food to take home with me , and insisted on explaining the cooking method at length, though he need not have done, and a cafe owner who seeing that we had a long wait for a bus, invited us to sit at one of his tables, and even gave us free teas for which he refused all payment. No doubt, the tea was cheap, it was a slack part of the day, and it was good for business to make it look like his tables were in demand. But none the less would that happen in England ? No.

And you learn things that you could never learn without the experience. For example, though I am wholly anti-religion, I have learned just what a lift to the heart the morning call to prayer can be, in a quite little village where the loudest other thing is the cock crow, and the emotive power of that.

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Do we have any members from countries other than the US, Canada and the UK? Do Europeans travel a lot? Any Asians here? Aussies? Africans? Don't be shy. Lol

Ryo1 Level 8 Aug 14, 2021
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