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Who are the terrorists?
Hope all understand the technology used is new atm, but won't be for long.
How would the US or Israel react if this occurred on their soil?
[nytimes.com]israel.html

powder 8 Sep 18
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I won't pay to read the NY Times.

Deb57 Level 8 Sep 19, 2021

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This is not new. The US and Israel have been doing it for decades. Israel had bombed Iran's nuclear lab in its infancy stage 25 years ago. Very little is printed or talked about in the American media. American's world view for politics, history, tourism is all centered around Jerusalem because the majority of immigrants for over 200 years have been of the Judai-Christian origin. Our idea of the world starts and ends in the Middle East. Our wars are for our interests in the Middle East and the Palestinians are always the bad guys although we take their land, we bomb their lands and kill their women and children.

Americans don't know and believe only what their government tells them (just like it happens in every country). Americans believe that Iranians hate Americans, they are hard headed, mean and fanatic but if you test the American and Iranian people on compassion, general world knowledge, math, science knowledge and hospitality, Iranians will always come on top. Every travel blog will tell you that Iranians are the best hosts in the world beating every other country in every continent. And let us not forget, who has the best history and cultural heritage? It is also by far Iran. Their art, museums, monuments, dances, music, festivals, foods are all better than those in the US.

American Israel-centric international policy is about going to war under false pretexts and labeling any country that goes against their just economic or geo-political interests as enemy. This has caused American people a good friend, great cultural exchange, tons of trade and much more.

When Afghanistan says they have never attacked any country, I believe them while we are just busy labeling them mean, unjust and primitive because their ways and views don't match with ours is just bizarre. We did not give American women rights or allow short skirts for hundreds of years but we are eager to start yelling at the new-born country about women's rights. We completely forget that Afghanistan under the Taliban did not have any corruption, no nation looting, absolutely no crime, no corporate guinea pig experiments on people, no pollution of rivers and water supply, no top 1% ruling the rest of the nation economically, They have many things better than what we have. All Western powers have bombed the heck out of them in the last 200 years and not allowed their society to mature and experiment with any form of government. We have done great things here but must admit there are great cultures around the world we must start learning the good they have.

Other than Pearl Harbor and 9/11, no attacks have happened on American soil but we have done more unjust and wars of choice around the world where we did not have a dog in the fight. I used to adore America when overseas but I am not so sure now. It looks quite ugly up close.

We always dismissed him as crazy but the Iranian president Ahmedinijad asked a question that raised such as hue and cry in America 12 years ago. He asked... "if the United States had so much compassion for the Jewish people for the holocaust and what happened to them in WWII, why didn't they give a part of Germany to Israel or maybe give a US State like Florida? Why steal other people's land and lives?" I am not no sure if I have heard a good answer yet.

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In the Zionist enterprise's undeclared war on Iran and any other potential serious rival for dominance of the region, the assassination wasn't terrorism. Because the state of (de facto) war exists between them, the assassination is much closer to an act of war than terrorism. As an assett to Iran's nuclear program he was a contextually 'legitimate' target. This doesn't, however, have any bearing on the standing of the criminal state as terrorist; as expansion of their occupation is effected by terrorism and making of war on defenseless civilians.

Propaganda parroted by every Zionist intimidated information source claims that Iran is the most threatening 'terrorist state' in the region and that Iran wants to destroy the 'state' of Israel because they hate and wish to murder Jews and the 'Jewish state'. That the largest Jewish population in the region outside the occupation boundaries resides in Iran is LOST in the so-called news and information media serves the false narrative well.

It isn't Jew hatred in Iran that intimidates Zionist fanatic leadership. It is about which of them shall be the definitive dominating power in the region. Iran's disadvantage in the contest is and has always been that Iran is the only Zionist adversary with the resources and sophisticated scientific capacity to challenge them with parity in nuclear capability. Another little known or acknowledged fact is that Palestine is only a secondary, albeit vital, part of what racial supremacist Zionist fanatics consider to be 'Greater Israel'. Ambitions for absorbing more real estate don't terminate at the borders of Palestine, but include parts of Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and ...all of Jordan. Jordan rides the back of the proverbial tiger.

No single adversay presents any kind of potential to thwart those plans except Iran. Saudis have strong military deterrent but are woefully deficient in other, let us say, requisite tactical, scientific and intellectual potential. Only Iran threatens the plan.

Does anyone think that Iran's intent is to wipe-out all of the Palestinian captives along with their tormentors, just to massacre Jews? Nuclear potential has little more value than the principle used by the fanatic AshkeNAZI leadership in occupied Palestine itself. And that is known as the 'Samson option'. Look it up.

Iran's capability to prevent a 'Greater Israel' eventuating is what fuels the intense propaganda war and de facto ACTS of war against Iran. The USA as a slavish Zionist asset and their own nuclear capability are sufficient to keep things at a relative stalemate. The Samson option doesn't include the United States but war with Iran, with or without our one-sided ally isn't something the otherwise bamboozled American people want ANY part of.

Israel wants the real estate and we both (our power structures) want the natural resources. This and only this is at 80% of the criminal charade.

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Yea, I'm getting the pay wall and have no desire to put my information into an arm of the CIA system via the NYT. I wouldn't waste my time reading their fake news anyways. It's hard enough keeping the demons out as it is, let alone jumping in bed with them.

I imagine the narrative is the missile strike in Afghanistan or along the lines of the opening of the article, Iranian scientist. Which is about all I can get before the pay wall pops up.

It would be declared as an act of war coming from another country or a terrorist act from a group. In retrospect of various same such actions, and other life ending acts and economic sabotage, by the hypocritical US and Israel though, they have taken it upon themselves to be the worlds moderators of civilization forcefully. Along with France, Germany, Australia, the UK, and a few wealthy middle East countries used as "allies". Legalities, rights, democracy, humanitarianism be damned. They either become a willing subservient to their system construct or be made an enemy of it, even though their system conforms to a betterment of humanitarianism.

They gorge on culture they don't understand then evacuate their bowels on the rest of the world. Their goals are to erase cultures, take and take until there's nothing left to take. Leaving behind a decimated society which is unable to achieve a meaning stability in which they can falsely blame on its people.

@William_Mary
Here's the same article. I also got the pay pop-ups.

[m.timesofindia.com]

@TimeOutForMe thanks for finding the ti copy.

@TimeOutForMe thank you

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NYT paywall. What's it all about?

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There's no doubt whatsoever that, should an attack like this be carried out by someone like Al Qaeda, Chinese or Iranian state intelligence, ISIS, or... the list goes on, it would be considered a terrorist assassination.

Israel and Iran are not in a shooting war (they could be considered "at war" to the extent that official Iranian policy remains, "Death To Israel", but there's a big gap between rhetoric and real bullets flying). Even if they were, scientists are noncombatants, even if they work for the military. There are several violations of international law here.

I continue to object to (and just war theory forbids) acts of war on "preemptive" grounds. That is the equivalent of hitting your neighbor over the head, because you fear that they are getting ready to hit you over the head, at some later date, just as soon as they get over to the store and buy that baseball bat they've been looking at for some time now.

Admittedly, the stakes are much higher with nuclear weapons, but the moral point is the same. Simply attempting to develop weapons, or maybe trying to develop weapons, or being someone who might try to develop weapons, is not grounds for violence.

"Simply attempting to develop weapons, or maybe trying to develop weapons, or being someone who might try to develop weapons, is not grounds for violence." If it wasn't there would be many around the world awaiting execution - what a good idea you have raised. A bit like Singapore where corporal punishment was long effectively used to modify behaviour to prevent crimes such as rape.

[en.m.wikipedia.org]

Singaporean law allows caning to be ordered for over 35 offences, including hostage-taking/kidnapping, robbery, gang robbery with murder, rioting, causing grievous hurt, drug abuse, vandalism, extortion, voyeurism, sexual abuse, molestation (outrage of modesty),[15] and unlawful possession of weapons. Caning is also a mandatory punishment for certain offences such as rape, drug trafficking, illegal moneylending,[16] and for foreigners who overstay by more than 90 days – a measure designed to deter illegal immigrants.

Should USA introduce it to stop Mexican\ US illegal entries?

@FrayedBear For one thing, those are all cases in which the punishment follows the crime, not precedes it. (Assassination can't be considered a "deterrent"; there's no legislative basis for it, no legal body carries it out or oversees it, and it doesn't "deter" the target, it just kills them.) For a second, caning is rarely a death sentence. Third, it is carried out inside the nation's borders, not between nations.

Last, do you truly think it is a humane sentence? Particularly for offenses like "drug abuse" or drug trafficking, something which is very much in the eye of the beholder, is very open to manipulation if the police are less than honest, and in the case of drug "abuse", can have a biological basis- a physical addiction which is not amenable to the addict's simply choosing to quit.

Basically, do you think waling on people with a piece of wood is something a civilized justice system should condone?

@FrayedBear Present some evidence that Singapore has a greatly reduced crime rate as a result of this policy, and I still will be against it. Cutting off hands may deter thieves, too, but it's wrong.

@Paul4747 lol, the USA & its citizens cheerfully & unashamedly commit or create murder & mayhem on each as well as the rest of the world. In some cases & States the death sentence is imposed. It is is not imposed against government officials, CIA agents & black ops operatives undertaking murder & creating murder through interfering with independent democrocies in such a way as to incite one section of population to undertake murder in the name of revolution against another.
As you point out your own policy & law has if anything exacerbated the problems. That you fail to prosecute the crimes against other nations is hypocritical & arrogant.

[worldpopulationreview.com]
In 2021 -
Singapore2.70 per 100,000, 118 total out of a population of 5,896,686
The USA in comparison is :
United States 27.30 per 100,000, 84,767 total out of a population of 332,915,073
What's wrong with you highest prison population in the world & a rape rate 10x that of Singapore?

@FrayedBear I suppose that's one of the problems you may get living in a democracy where citizens don't fear their own government.

Rape statistics might also be skewed since, according to Singapore's Association of Women for Action and Research's (Aware) Sexual Assault Care Centre, 7 in 10 of their clients who were victims of rape or other sexual violence chose not to make a police report.

The issue of how survivors of rape are treated when they make reports surfaced in Parliament last month.
Workers' Party MP Raeesah Khan had said she had accompanied a rape survivor to make a police report three years ago, but the 25-year-old woman came out of the police station crying after the police officer allegedly commented on her dressing and the fact that she was drinking.

[straitstimes.com]

Based on information like this, the rate of crime in Singapore is likely much higher than you seem to think. It is certainly not a shining beacon of human rights, in any case.

@FrayedBear the rape stats in South Africa is accurate. South Africa is shamefully the rape capital of the world.

@Paul4747 Your purported defense of the indefensible does you no credit & suggests that you are probably one of them.

@FrayedBear And all the people who defended Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs were communists, too.

I don't remember at any time "defending" any crime. I have been speaking up for a humane penal system, something you seem to have trouble with. I also just spoke up for rape victims. Do you have something against rape victims? You seem to be projecting, in the Freudian sense. But I would never go so far as to say that this suggested some deep-seated sexual guilt in your own mind. Or would I?

And this is the point where I say "Up yours, bub." And if you're so fond of Singapore's legal system, I suggest you move there yourself. Enjoy your caning when you run your first traffic light.

Conversation over.

@Paul4747 you are simply America's problem not its solution. What have you offered anything to existing or future rape victims to give them hope?
As for "not fearing our government" they have just opened the doors for more of your militia to occupy the country & the provacation for the country to be invaded to become your next Afghanistan playground.
I've been told that your occupation is "troll" for the US militia. Is that correct?

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