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How non-peer reviewed science makes it to the populous. This has become the major issue of our time. [infodig.site]

JackPedigo 9 Nov 22
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I clicked on the link and can not find the article.

I looked today and it's changed. This is a huge problem in that access to critical information costs and without subscribing to a ton of periodicals one is left out in the cold. It originally appeared in the Seattle Times and most of the links I found reverted back to the Times. It seems there is a time limit as most hear did read the piece. Here is a link to the Times but it may be limited. Without information we are left in the cold and one reason more go to places like Faux News. Despite what some may think money is a resource and it is limited and this is what is the result - ignorance and conspiracy theories.
[seattletimes.com]

A couple of members, you and Marrionville come up twice with the same comment, reply or whatever.?

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Could not endure the grammar, was the article written by a ten year old ?

It honestly reads like a bad translation! But it was written in the US. Maybe the doctor is foreign? Definitely could have used an editor.

It was written by a surgeon and professor of Orthopedics and sports medicine and the University of Washington School of Medicine, and the editor-in-chief of Clinical Orthopedics and related research. Yes it was heavy on techno-speak. I found the issue depressingly enlightening, though.

@Gwendolyn2018 It is very like the output of drunks writing in haste late at night.

@Gwendolyn2018 it would be interesting to see how it would have looked had you have done the writing! As I was reading the piece I underlined important ideas. Generally it was clear to me. But, our print media is hurting and a lot of papers are crashing especially the local ones. Here we have three, one for each main island but, again, there’s a change, we now have to subscribe for something that was once a free paper. Also, I have noticed there’s fewer but much longer articles and this one was a prime example. This means more techno-speak.

@JackPedigo It seems to have moved on anyway. I went back to try and give it a second go, but it had gone. If the author knows that it is ephemeral, he may just have cut and pasted from a paper.

@Gwendolyn2018 I remember reading an article by, I think Richard Dawkins, some while ago now. In which he said that there is a convention in some , mainly American universities, where some students and a few second rate, (his opinion) academics feel that to have papers taken seriously they have to write them in unintelligible "science paper speak", which serves no purpose , but in the minds of naive students, is supposed to impress their peers. He made the point that in his case it does just the opposite. Good plain English please.

@Gwendolyn2018 It is what it is. The guy is talking about a critical aspect of science and he is using terms people interested and knowledgeable about science. One cannot expect something different, like someone with expertise in one subject communicating about another subject. One thing I still have a problem with is that ESL is now called ELL (English Language Learning).

@Gwendolyn2018 No need to qualify the search I believe you. However, my late partner taught in an international school and ELL was the term.
So a bit of confusion/question: if they are not native English speakers do they speak English? Some schools here are taught with the immersion plan or strictly having the classes in English (it is estimated there are some 150 different languages being spoken in the Seattle School District). A bootstrap program starts with teaching the kids in their native language (Spanish or Mandarin) and slowly going to English). There is a Netflix program about a school in India called Shanti Bhaven and all classes are in English.Netflix Shanti Bhaven school.

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BTW, I learned something besides you are right, again. A former partner taught English at on of the huge community colleges in Seattle so I looked it up. [southseattle.edu]

@Gwendolyn2018 My former partner said the same (S. Seattle College was only about Asian students). She got to tell which country they came from by their names. Most of the English she taught was geared toward business. She had a degree in business so later she taught some of those same students beginning business.

In my late partner's elementary school there was a very strong Latino crowd and Chinese as well. Interesting, though as the Spanish speakers spoke the same language so they had a very strong PTA. The Chinese, however, were Cantonese and Mandarin and they didn't have enough with one language to get a decent PTA. Because of the languages the Spanish speakers did better than the Chinese speakers

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