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Who believes in the Big bang scientific creation myth? I understand a lot of my atheist friends put their faith in it.

I have alread start a post with discussion in another group. Please feel free to go to that discussion and view over and continue discussion there.

The "lighthouse effect" understanding, gives for causation of red shift caused by a light source that is spinning or rotating. The light leaves light house creating the shape of a spiral

Stars spin and have rotation causing a lot of the light leaving the star to produce the lighthouse effect. Observers far from light source observe the spiral arms expanding without taking into account for lighthouse effect causation.

Observation of red shift at a distance and not taking into consideration the causation, the lighthouse effect, will give an apparence of what is called "spacetime" expansion.

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Few people here understand the scientific method.

An observation stirs curiosity
Make a testable hypothesis.
Test that hypothesis.
If the evidence supports your hypothesis, brag.
Otherwise, lie.

Academic scientists suffer from the publish or perish syndrome.

Relativity has withstood 100 years of testing. The last being the detection of Gravity Waves.

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I think the Universe, or what I call Tao, might be the original and only Universe. Expansion has created a vast, dead, calmness in which only time and electrons exist. Time creates a magnetic stream within the calmness and electrons clump together by poles to create networks which imagine all that we think is real. Suffering is opposite of calm and it is the method used for these electrons to ask why (which leads some to glimpse truth by feeling connection to the calm). How that Tao began would be impossible to speculate on so becomes the unknowable aspect of Tao.

What evidence do you have that tao exist?

@xenoview Tao is a concept which, I think, basically means the unifying point. Universal expansion has been noted and is accepted scientific belief so the idea that the unifying point is that Universe is not revolutionary. The question becomes how did ours form within a dead Universe? I postulate that it didn't. Our Universe exists only in the electromagnetic exchanges of those electrons. Niels Bohr's observations might be worth reviewing as some kind of evidence, though.

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What Existed Before The Big Bang?

[scienceabc.com]

We don't know what existed before the Bib Bang.

More importantly... What did'nt exist?

If time began at the Big Bang, there was no 'before the Big Bang'.

@Toonman If time began with the Big Bang there was no before because motion did not exist. "Something" is always contrasted or compared with "Nothing or No-thing" Which makes me wonder about Neils Bohr's design for his Coat of Arms, which, depicts complementary states.

@ASTRALMAX

You're making my point.

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The only problem with the BBT is that there had to be something before that happened, they really need a theory to prove or disprove what was before the BBT.

If we believe that time originated with the Big Bang, the idea of "before" doesn't even apply.

@Toonman Just simply accepting that nothing was before the BBT would be like having belief in an imaginary deity.

@azzow2 There was no "before". Time didn't exist.

@Toonman You might have to think about infinity before making the conclusions that time did not exist.

@azzow2

If we accept the proposition that the Big Bang started everything, then the concept of infinity is irrelevant until after the Big Bang.

@Toonman Maybe I am thinking too logical about this however the last time I checked is there is no way to make something with nothing, thinking that the BBT is the beginning is flawed logic.

@azzow2 I said "If" we accept the proposition.

This conundrum has stymied the smartest people in the world.

Neither of us is in that company. Neither of us is thinking too logically.

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My understanding is the "big bang theory" has always been just that a theory. Science doesn't use words like faith in any working theories, and I'd challenge you to prove otherwise. I don't follow all the latest news or discoveries in the scientific community too much but I thought they came to the big bang theory through measuring the distance light has traveled. So through that measurement, light that traveled the furthest is likely the oldest and the point of origin of all light. Sorry I'm dumbing this down and I'm also not qualified nor educated on the subject matter thus is just my simple understanding. I've also heard the theory that says the universe is a never ending cycle of the big bang then the universe collapsing in on itself again and again. I've covered this in a post about Naturalistic nihilism before. In my opinion calling the scientific process a "creation myth" is disingenuous and very misleading. To make such a statement I assume you have a degree in Astro physics or any other type of physics degree. If not do you really consider yourself qualified enough to call theories "belief" "myth"and "faith"?

Tejas Level 8 Dec 14, 2021

We already covered that in comments below.

@Word you didn't cover my question though

. . . I think it prudent to NOT use the word(s) prove/proof in 'discussions' about science. Apart from math science doesn't prove anything, there is always doubt/error-bars/new-info (science CAN convincingly discredit some things).

. . . also, use of the phrase "just a theory" in these discussions is a passive acquiescence to the use of that exact phrase wrt evolution being "just a theory"

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@Word

You're still an idiot using words you don't know to attempt expressing ideas you can't grasp.

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Y'know...

I was wondering what a complete imbecile might have to say about this subject.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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If the greatest, most agile minds in humankind have wrestled, and are wrestling, with these ideas, why should we think a fuckhead like you has any of the answers?

You are correct and as tactful as a stone.

@yvilletom Word is a fuckhead whether I say so or not.

I may as well say so.

@Toonman Okay, less tactful than a stone.

@yvilletom

I'm a blunt object. I'm fine with it.

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