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For those of you who got off of FuckBook, you may not be able to see this but it is so on the money.
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SnowyOwl 8 June 26
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In the first 12 or so weeks of gestation there is not much chance of viability outside the womb.
But that is not her argument - I agree with her point of view.

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But does she have the right to take the life of another human without their permission?

I think not.

End of argument.

When does a collection of cells that forms a part of her body become an autonomous human being? Removing an unwanted growth in her body is her choice, once it becomes an autonomous person then it is the other person's choice. So I agree with what you have to say but not the way you said it.

A fetus is not another human being. It might become one when it is born but people are trying to give the fetus rights that are greater than the woman who carries it.

@DenoPenno crap. The foetus hears, thinks, feels, even enjoys the highest human pleasure by masturbating, all in the womb. And you say its not alive & human?

@SnowyOwl it's autonomous in that it experiences independent thought, feel, digestion, heart beat, movement, probably emotions & dreams.
Isn't a symbiotic relationship like many plants living off others?

And after about 24 weeks can survive without the mother so long as it is fed.

@FrayedBear I did not say it was not alive. Christians argue this bullshit and their bible says a person becomes a person at birth. It all happens when you are born and draw that first breath.

@DenoPenno I make no mention of bible nonsense in support of what I say so why make the comment?

@FvckY0u provide evidence that it isn't.

@FrayedBear I hate to say this demanding proof that something doesn't exist sounds rather like religious thinking. I have a god and he is real, prove that he doesn't exist is a tired old argument for when people run out of support for their supposition. You are making a leap by stating that a cluster of cells that may one day become a living human being is already a human being. Placing the rights of a potentiality above the rights of an adult human being is just a very weak argument.

@SnowyOwl in which case, why are you not making this statement at the man using the argument in the first place? Where is the proof that the foetus is not a sentient human from the moment of conception? Where is the evidence, what are the yardsticks to measure by & who decides them or says that the are are correct or incorrect?
From the moment that the sperm joins the ova a defined measurable set of events occur that ends up in something we recognise as a living human. That sequence of events is no different to you waking up of a morning & commencing your day. By your argument you didn't exist for the time that you were sleeping. Therefore murdering a sleeping person should carry no penalty? . . . Well if you are American & it's a leftie in another country that is ok!

@FrayedBear You are way out on thin ice as far as your logic, next you will be telling me that if you get a blow job and she swallows then she murdered somebody because there was the potential for a human being to be created in your ejaculate. Give your head a shake, mate.

@SnowyOwl nah don't go down that road - leave it to those religious mullahs & red bishops to rave about masturbation spilling seed on the ground. I want a freely given ova as well as sperm to create embryos.

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