Agnostic.com

12 8

ON COGNITIVE DISSONANCE

(Thanks to racocn8 for initiating this important discussion: [agnostic.com] )

There are few things that humans like less than having to modify our worldview. It can be terrifying. And understandably so, because it serves as our operating system, and if the operating system goes down, nothing works.

Unless we want the never-ending maintenance task of compartmentalizing, we may have to do extensive work on the OS in order to make it mesh with the new discordant information, so we will do all kinds of mental and emotional gymnastics to avoid that work.

One of the first (easiest) resorts is to undermine the legitimacy of the source. The person who provided the offending information is figured as ignorant or misinformed or dishonest or mentally ill or malicious or criminal.

At this point the process of deflecting the encroaching material is mostly unconscious, so the reaction comes in the form of emotional expression.

When any ostensibly rational discussion of ideas turns into a session of personal insults, it’s a pretty sure sign that the insulter is experiencing Cognitive Dissonance.

But this isn’t the only possible reaction to dissonance - just the easiest. We are bombarded with dissonant messages every day, and there’s not enough time to investigate all of them. So one reasonable response is to just ignore.

But if it is regarding an important issue, and if the troubling information continues to return, and especially if it is coming from multiple sources… we may eventually be motivated to examine the actual evidence for ourselves.

If we judge the evidence to be convincing, then we are forced to do the work of adjusting our worldview to accommodate it, thereby relieving the dissonance. If we find the evidence lacking, we can return to our existing worldview equally immune to the dissonance in future erroneous claims because we are now even more convinced of their baselessness.

In neither case do we have just cause to insult the bearer of conflicting information. If the information proved to be correct, the natural response would be to thank them. If it was incorrect, an appropriate response would be to either share the better evidence with them or ignore them, depending on the importance of the issue and how much time one has or cares to invest. Insulting people who perpetuate erroneous information is not an effective way to change their minds. It only hardens their convictions.

Light teasing can sometimes be effective, especially if accompanied by patient explanation of the facts. But name-calling and demeaning a person’s character speaks more about our own avoidance of change than about the other person’s actual character.

To the people who will predictably claim that the purveyors of false information are dangerous to society and deserve to be insulted, I say that’s some pretty stout arrogance to be so certain of your own infallibility, not to mention a lack of awareness of the science of how humans learn.

Being convinced you are right is not, in itself, problematic. You might be.

Being so convinced of your infallibility that you think the god-like power to punish wrongdoers is your rightful prerogative…
is mostly just a lazy response to cognitive dissonance.

And being resentful of people who are earnestly trying to contribute to constructive dialogue (even if their contribution is less than perfect) is a reactionary response. That is to say, in opposition to progress.

And even resisting progress isn’t a crime. It’s a natural human counterbalance to progress that moves too rapidly in untested directions.

But if you inhabit a progressive persona and are exhibiting reactionary behavior, I have some news that may cause a bit of dissonance. 🤣

Peace, love and puppy kisses ✌️

.

skado 9 Apr 8
Share

Enjoy being online again!

Welcome to the community of good people who base their values on evidence and appreciate civil discourse - the social network you will enjoy.

Create your free account

12 comments

Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.

2

A post like this takes a considerable amount of courage to share on a site like this one, and predictably enough at least one of the usual suspects appears to have taken issue with this post.

During my time interacting on this site, on multiple occasions I've crossed paths with those who readily criticize sources that do not align with their own world views, even though said sources were rated high on accurate reporting from independent bias fact checkers. And of course with that sort of thing the personal insults and crude assumptions usually follow. You're right, often times people who act out like that are indeed emotionally-charged, and when emotions take over critical thinking goes out the window.

Again, true, but good luck trying to convince the individual who's hurling the insults around that they may be the ones who are experiencing the cognitive dissonance.

While some may finally find the motivation to look into matters deeper once presented with information from multiple sources, I think a majority of people would still remain comfortable in their own world views.

You said, "Insulting people who perpetuate erroneous information is not an effective way to change their minds. It only hardens their convictions." That is certainly true, and it's natural human instinct to resist those who get too confrontational in their commentary. A little diplomacy can go a long way, and won't mention any names here but that would apply to at least one of the individuals below who had commented on this post.

No shortage of name-calling on here, from both political sides, along with dehumanizing behaviors. Both political extremes support sources who purvey misleading or totally false information. These days, no shortage of those who desire to see the other side punished in some way for them promoting information that is perceived to have been false.

Ah yeah, can't keep track how many times I've been accused of trolling or being "creepy" for simply trying to contribute to either an existing conversation or trying to start a new convo thread. Reactionary indeed.

Whilst a good portion of my own views are at odds with the progressive worldview, by and large I do not think those who identify as progressive are terrible people, as most of them are just trying to think up ways to help improve living conditions in our society. Likewise, I'm also at odds with the socially conservative (aka, alt right) think tanks, but also believe they are mostly just average people who want to help improve living conditions too, it's just that they have different ideas and methods of approaching the situations is all. I'd like to believe that both extremes mean well, and I may very well be incorrect about that conclusion.

I've long maintained that progressive and liberal are two different things, with the former being more or less a set of political agendas and the latter being a way of life (and political a bit too) and that of which civilized society should strive to be like. When I observe the progressive types shouting down others whom they may disagree with and go through great lengths to try to cancel out dissenting voices, for the life of me I cannot figure out how that sort of approach is liberal (a good number of progressives also refer to themselves as liberal), and if anything that reminds me of how the far-right reactionary types treat others whom they disagree with. In the end, those who are open-minded will take into consideration the point you tried to make in this post, while those who are dead set in their ways will deflect to other talking points and ultimately resist your advice. A good and much needed post for on here.

1

For all I know, google maps is the most popular place for a person to get their world view. I am guessing people upgrading to operating systems that use Google maps it is quit a change over if they had been using older, antiquated systems.

Word Level 8 Apr 10, 2023
2

I don't think you are on about cognitive dissonance at all. I think you are using this euphemism to camouflage your real well known hang up: that people who strongly reject religion in part because of the total lack of real evidence are somehow arrogant and can't see or admit the 'benefits' of religion, and worse, secretly think this religious stuff might be good, but can't admit it so they really suffer from a kind of cognitive dissonance. Seriously? This is your own projection, or, as the hippies might say, it's your trip man.

While you gestate on all this distraction, I spend my time worrying about the growth of religious fascism in the world, the increasing alliance between religious authoritarianism, anti- modernism, and oligarchic anti- democracy, and how this is the major struggle going on in the world today.

I have neither the time nor the inclination to sit around and think, ' oh gee, religion might really be good -- oh look, my brain is all discordant now.'

Exhibit "A".

@skado too cute by half, or rather not.

4

being convinced you are right can also be a result of being right.

Truer words were never spake!

4

I've come up against that many times as one will when being female in a male dominated job. I'd do my job and mostly keep my head down, one gets use to figuring ways around without actually having to have a discussion.
And then there's dealing with my twin . . . when someone has a busted bullshit meter it really is hard to have a discussion.

2

This is, in fact, why I do not join a lot of discussions here.

A very unfortunate consequence indeed.

3

I was raised in the southern bible-belt, with all of its cultural racism and conservatism. In changing by world view during my 20s, I did not find it terrifying. Instead, I found it liberating.

I did the same thing, at the same time, in the same place, for the same reasons, and with the same eventual results. The place it brought me to was liberating, but as I recall, the process of change itself had some challenging moments at best. Maybe for some folks it is effortless and automatic, I don’t know. But I had to work at it over a period of years. And I think it is difficult-to-impossible for most folks.

@skado I gave u[p re;ogopjm at ath age 19 or 19, with little discomfort/ The rest was ,pre doffoi;t/ It tppk a cp;;ege edicatopm amd ;ovomg om Germany for almost 3 years. My German friends kept asking me questions and I just ra out of rationalizations trying to explain the southern culture.

@skado And now it is time to move forward again, which you will also find liberating.

@Fernapple
It is always time for everyone to move forward again. There is not just one move to make. It is continuous throughout life.

6

I'm guilty as hell. I'll be the first one to tell people to go fuck themselves, so call me a cognitive dissonant if you like. I don't have time for polite discourse with bigots, ultra right wingnuts or religious fanatics. Especially random strangers on Twitter. People I know whom I otherwise like, I just don't engage with them at all in religion or politics. I stick to the weather or sports. Unless they're Cowboys fans in which case I tell them to go fuck themselves to their face.

I love u 🙌👏👏👏

3

if bad information is being spread. information which can hurt folks if they subscribe to it, why is an attack the source inappropriate? it may well be that the information is designed specifically to deceive and portray itself or some person etc. a false reality. i believe tempered civil reaction is not the only appropriate response to some stimuli. trying to talk a snake out of biting you, or voting for wagon wheel jawed polititans begs for the kind of response thier supporters understand.

Depends on what you mean by "attack". "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

If someone has a knife at your throat, by all means attack!
But when it comes to interpersonal dialogue, the most effective "attack" is to provide the best argument against the idea. When you just insult the messenger, you pretty much close his mind to any possible embrace of your position no matter how rational, and you appear to any onlooker to have run out of intellectual ammunition, leaving them to wonder who might have the better idea.

Talking about a third party, such as a public figure, or a group, is a somewhat different situation. To post disparaging remarks or character assassinations of public figures is mostly just blowing off steam, and mostly harmless because the person is unlikely to ever hear what you said about them. But even then, it just energizes the other side and escalates the divide.

I believe it was... Bucky Fuller? who said don't spend your energy tearing down the old but apply it to building the new. (Or something like that.) Shooting off at the mouth (symbolically murdering your opponent) feels great but builds little.

@skado the messenger is likely a lost cause. ridicule can be rather effective and even when it isn't, a pejorative nickname can stick. nobody wants to root for an embarrassment unless that is their comfort zone in which case they join the lost cause club. provoking an idgit to explain their thinking should provide plenty of opportunity for rational response if anyone is still paying attention. there is a whole lot of lost cause out there, enjoy it.

@hankster
The messenger is likely to be a lost cause?
Anyone who tries to tell someone something they were not aware of is a lost cause?

@skado well maybe not, but they're not to be trusted, unless they are shouting "get down" accompanied by the sound of gunfire.

3

A well written piece and you have said it better than my attempt below.

The problem with belief, any belief, is the believer may have invested years in seeking reinforcement of his or her belief and it has come to form a large part of his or her identity. Naturally, when a belief is perceived to be under attack the believer imagines/feels that he or she is being attacked, therefore, any rational discussion is rarely possible as emotions cloud reason.

That's exactly it. It closes any potential for constructive dialogue.

3

Yes That is why I love Skado so much, to have an almost perfect example of all those things at first hand for study is almost too good to be true. I do hope this is not a farewell message, for I am a long way from being bored.

Exhibit "B".

3

I try that but people perceive an insult where none was made. This happens in text conversations, where my statement remains on page and quite obviously holds no name calling, but I'm told that I did. Sometimes it's about some tone that can't actually come from me through text. Tone is something that can only be perceived by the listener. In text that tone is whatever the reader thinks it should be and confirms their hurt fee-fee's. That is bullshit which I have zero time for.

If they're gonna blame you for insulting them, you might as well get your money's worth and insult them but good.

@barjoe Trust that this thought has occurred to me. That's when I get told that I'm getting rude.

@Garban I get hit with that from time to time (not just here) but I'm not into ratting anyone out. I've let go of it so only recount the memory.

@rainmanjr You have your moment. That's why I like you so much.

This is very true, and extremely frustrating, and the main motivation behind this post.

The hard truth is that throwing gasoline on a fire doesn't extinguish it. Our choice is between a small fire and a large one, and we are free to choose.

[en.wikipedia.org]

Write Comment
You can include a link to this post in your posts and comments by including the text q:718376
Agnostic does not evaluate or guarantee the accuracy of any content. Read full disclaimer.