The scientific question: is Jesus a real meme organism that evolved to mimic homo sapien form.

As I explain from my experience of leaving christianity, meme as coined and defined by illogical atheist and brilliant biologist Richard Dawkins really exist and is observable to those that understand it and its evolution.

I do what I can to explain to people about meme organism in my group. I am sure it would take some high flutting popular notable people to actually get the information better publicized. And, too, for the information to make it into the right sorts of people that can see it peer reviewed and such for better scientific understanding.

Yes, well, the debate goes on, but I'm only interested in the studies of serious secular christologists who attempt to apply serious history methodology to the subject and fall into 2 groups -- Historicists who believe there was a real person in the first century, put to death, and several centuries later, with a big push from St Paul, mythologised into the Jesus dead and rising god cult, and Mythicists who say there isn't enough evidence to assert definitively in a real person but instead a historical myth that evolved into a death cult religion. I tend to believe the Historicists. The views of faith based believers is more hope than fact.

What amuses me though is how gullible believers are when it comes to Jesus artefacts. They've all be proven to be from the middle ages, including the Shroud, the Spear(s) of Longinus, and nails, bones and all the rest. Still the believer dummies think they are real and won't be told.

Historian Robert Price -- mythicist -- once said in a debate that ONE validated document or scroll from the first century AD from a primary source witness of the activities of the guy they now call Jesus would settle the debate and they could say there was a real figure at the centre of this yarn. Just one source would it. But there isn't even one. Not one.

So the crucifixion of Jesus also involved real nails found in a tomb. How convenient and why were they there? This is like shooting a man and then burying him with the cartridge shells for identification. In the case of Jesus evidence shows nothing real OR the possibility of more than one contender as Messiah.

The main point is that the dogma itself has been falsified.

One thing humans are very good at is telling stories.

The debate will ever end. I've always thought of the Bible as their Sci-Fi genre of the time. People gotta believe in something, it's just human nature.
Here's another sci-fi tale, humans become near extinct, for what ever reason, a few survive, generations go by with just the struggle to survive. A day comes and one fragment of a piece of technology survives and is discovered. It's a song, maybe Elton John's Candle in the Wind.
Who the fuck is he singing about? Human imagination will take it from there.