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I don't mean to start anything, but it seems to me, as an agnostic, that it takes as much faith to say there is no god as it does to say there is. Thoughts?

monstrslyr 4 May 15
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Which use of the word faith do you mean?

faith
/fāTH/
noun

  1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
    "this restores one's faith in politicians"
    synonyms: trust, belief, confidence, conviction;
  2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
    synonyms: religion, church, sect, denomination, (religious) persuasion, (religious) belief, ideology, creed, teaching, doctrine
    "she gave her life for her faith"

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Wow that's a good observation I never really thought about it but the main stream media putts so much emphasis on religion of all kind that in to it or not most people just go with the flow

Maybe it's just part of the whole cultural acceptance thing that so many people want to be part of .

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Faith in what?

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Well, does it take faith to say that vampires, leprechauns, or fairies don't exist?

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I agree, basically. I'm too insignificant in the Universal scheme of things to know anything about the subject...100% ignorant about a god or gods.

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I've looked at this question a few times without forming an opinion. But this morning, my observation is that "faith" is no more than than a synonym for "belief." And humans do protect, fight for, and swear by their beliefs. And about anything.

So i guess that i agree; it does take as much energy-faith-belief to say "there is no god as it does to say there is." hahaha

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That’s why I am 95% Athiest 5% agnostic. We can’t know for sure, either way...

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I agree. As an agnostic, there is no knowing for sure. It can't be proven one way or another, since the subject and object of faith doesn't rely on external circumstance or material items.

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I have been in a chat lately with someone that is trying to convince me there is a god! She keeps quoting for the bible as proof even as I continue to let her know the bible can not be factual! Most of the population back the was illiterate and paper wasn't invented for hundred of years. Therefore most of the bible was taken from "Old Wives" tales that were passed down through many generations. We all knw how that kind of thing will get embelished!lol I also asked her about the makeup of heaven as by what she tell me, only christians will be there. I really don't want to be there as I have friends that are Jewish, Muslim and various other religions.

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I don't know about faith. I just don't believe because it doesn't sound real or possible. God also seems to be unnecessary.

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I still hold a glimmer of hope some god or another will reveal her/his self and salvage what is left of my soul. That is highly unlikely but possible even if minutely.

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I believe that most people who are atheists or agnostics are not so out of faith but rather out of self confidence in their ability to think logically.

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Many people seem to feel threatened when I say I am agnostic. I wouldn't call myself a "closet agnostic", but I I don't insist on sharing it. Live and let live.

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I agree. The best we can say is there is no credible evidence to date that would be consistent with a supernatural being who reads our thoughts, punishes us if we don't believe in "him", answers our prayers, etc. and....created all space, time, matter, and energy. Nothing that would stand up to any kind of scientific scrutiny.

Very true. I wonder if that is part of our intended learning. Elicative research says that nothing is impossible until it is proven to be so. So the universe may be the consequence of 'intelligent design', and Universal Intelligence or Universal Consciousness may exist unbeknown to a race which is just a in the context of the universe. Exploratory research says anything is possible but many people need more definitive assumptions. Lol

@josephr Oh yeah? Ever try getting toothpaste back in the tube?

@AstroLou Not since i was about 3. hahaha

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I consider myself agnostic, but atheism is often misunderstood. Refusal to buy into a theistic belief system, or anti-theism, is not faith. It is independence and honesty.

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For me it doesn't take any faith to say there's no god. I haven't seen any evidence for the existence of god(s) so for me it's not faith it's a fact.

Well, absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence.

@AstroLou I'm not saying that a lack of evidence proves non existence, all I'm saying is I haven't seen any evidence for the existence of any god. The burden of proof doesn't lie with me, it lies with the person making the assertion of existence.

And to answer your point, surely an absence of evidence, while not evidence of absence, does mean unproven, which is where I'm coming from, for me there isn't just a lack of evidence, there's no evidence.

The best I could come up with regarding the existence of any god is 'I don't know' and nor does anybody else. And until such time as something convinces me this is where I am 🙂

@ipdg77 Same here. Show me the ! ?

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Good question.

I don't think faith as much as certainty, though one can get the latter from the former.

I'm inclined to think that certainty is a feeling unfounded most of the time by facts, neurologically it's not seated in the same parts of the brain as the knowledge that you would think leads to it at all. It's an emotion.

And while we can make a very convincing argument against God there's some pretty big gaps in our knowledge that lead me to think feeling certainty it's still a big leap. So faith? Kind of.

And I'm ok with uncertainty. I don't think there is a God but I don't have to have it confirmed or over express my confidence about that.

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I’m very certain that unicorns don’t exist, but have no proof. Is my disbelief in them a matter of faith? Can I insist that my disbelief is truth? I find little difference between atheist and agnostic.

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So if I make up a god and tell you it’s true. How do you identify this god is fictional inabsence of myadmitting I invented it. If I claim that a god visited me and added to its messages, what hurdleswould I have to jump through to get people to believe me? In short when there is zero way to confirm these claims are not fiction, there is zero good reason to accept them as true.

Sadly, you might not have to jump through many hurdles for a lot of people to believe you. But, for me, I would need to see far more clear and compelling evidence than, you told me so.

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If we assume that science is based on logic, then where did the science come from?

It comes from testable evidence that it works like planes, medicine, refrigeration, the internet you're using, etc.

@Rossy92 True, but where did the logic to depend on evidence come from? These are the questions I ask myself from time to time.

Science is just a way to think about and explore our world.

@AstroLou That's exactly right. We have been programmed to make sense of our world even before we reach a cognitive stage; maybe even when we're in the womb. Now, scientists are exploring the possibility that our memories may actually be stored in our DNA. Whether that's true or not, what we're seeing and proving at times is that there is significantly more to our universe than we ever thought possible. So is science as a result of intelligent design? And if so, who were or what was the architect, or engineer if one prefers that professional analogy? I also know that there is so much that we don't know or understand since we are still a relatively baby race. Lol

@josephr

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How do you figure? There's not much if any effort needed to honestly not believe in something that makes absolutely no sense to believe in....no effort, no faith. The burden of proof does not rest on me for not being convinced...its on anyone making the assertion and the claim. Show me credible, objective, proof and evidence, and I'll change my tune. Until then, I don't believe it, because there's nothing to believe; and unlike theists, I don't need faith to NOT be a believer.

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Atheism at 7 on the Dawkins scale strikes me as being as dogmatic as faith at 1 on the Dawkins scale. I believe everyone, devoutly religious or anti-religious, needs to admit that they just plain don't know. That being said, I think all current human religions are crap. Well, all of the ones I know about.

vita Level 7 May 16, 2018
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Evidence based ......

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I think you say what I think, but in the opposite way, which. agree with my ideas even better.

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Faith: belief that is not based on proof:

Agnosticism: Not knowing is not faith.

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