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Regarding yesterday's abortion post(s) wars, I would like to offer a simple solution.

Before engaging in sexual contact with anyone, everyone should sign an agreement specifying their intent, should a pregnancy occur. If you are a man, and don't want to be responsible for child support or have any parental rights, simply say that in the release form.

If you're female, and intend to have an abortion should a pregnancy occur, regardless of what your partner may have to say later on, specify that in the release. If both parties can agree upon those terms, go ahead and have sex.

Sure, it totally kills all spontaneity, and takes the "romance" out of it, but that's certainly a small price to pay for peace of mind. You also have greater insight into who you're about to have sex with.

Guys can carry copies in their wallets, like condoms.
Women can carry copies in their purses, like condoms.

That should alleviate most issues that could come up later on.
Oh, and it could also contain an assurance that neither party has an STD. That would also be helpful to those involved.
Happy fucking!

KKGator 9 May 21
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I'm down for male hormonal birth control.

As am I. However, it still doesn't eliminate the issue. There will be men that will find it to be ineffective, just as is found in some women. There will be those that would refuse to avail themselves of it. The incidence of unintended, unwanted, or unsafe pregnancy would still exist and would still require an option for women to pursue.
Male birth control would be fantastic option, but the problem would not be eradicated.

@KKGator Oh, I agree completely. But for me personally, that would be one more tool in MY arsenal. Not so I can avoid having the necessary conversation, but so I could have that extra bit of personal control AND personal accountability.

@ghettophilosopher I applaud your personal integrity and responsibility.
Unfortunately, far too many men (and women) don't think as you do.
Which is why I am so adamant that women have complete personal autonomy and the ability to seek pregnancy termination without any interference from anyone.

@KKGator I concur. A man has no business uninvited in a woman's business, regardless of the circumstance.

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Or you could just use a condom hell if a girl is willing to fuck on the first date I'm not going in unprotected anyway

Condoms are always the way to go. However, shit happens.

Btw, what the hell?! "...if a girl is willing to fuck on the first date I'm not going in unprotected anyway."

You're going to make a value judgment about a woman wanting sex as much as you do?
Is she having sex alone?
If you're willing to fuck on the first date, why do you think it's remotely okay for you to judge her????
Hypocrite much?

@KKGator I fuck on the first date and have no standards protection is as much for her sake as mine hell I don't know what I could have and I definitely don't want to pass it on

@LeeMurray That's fine, and smart. However, your comment still implied that you're judging her based on whether she'll have sex on the first date.

Always best to tarp yer load.

@KKGator more holding everyone to the same standard as me if I'm going to do some fucked up stuff I expect everyone else to be doing the same

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Manoman, am I glad I'm a lesbian. ?

Definitely an advantage!

You have NO IDEA how BADLY i WISH I WAS ONE!!!

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So Nick Cannon (yeah, that guy...) came up with this app called consent (with some random spelling for marketing purposes. I don't remember, but you can Google it). It was problematic for many reasons, the main one being that it was clear that if he consulted anyone at all, it wasn't anyone who wasn't a heteronormative male. As a result, it flopped.
Now done properly, this could be a good use case for such an app. Maybe...

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Sexting, the ultimate answer.

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Or you can just date women over the age of 55......or 60 if you really want to be careful.

LOL I"m going to be 55 and not done yet with the change... I'll be approaching 56 when/if it's done.
Just what I need.... a Meno-OOPS. Kid would come out like an alien...

Was that you on the gurney wearing the sparkly shorts? @Qualia

@nicknotes Nope, 'fraid not. No front buttz allowed. Maybe someone you know or dated who's living the dream? 😉

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Well. That's one solution.
Vasectomy doesn't have a 100% effective record, but it worked pretty well for me.
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Another thought is that if men could get pregnant there'd be all sorts of very effective birth control, easily obtainable and likely free. It's not so much about that as it is about controlling women. But I digress.....

If men could get pregnant, there would be abortion clinics on every corner. They'd all serve wings and beer in post-op, and have big screens on every wall, showing "the game". They'd be like sports bars.

@KKGator damn straight! And all men would get paid time off for their menstrual periods, and they would brag about how heavy and painful they were.

@Kojaksmom One cramp and they'd kill themselves. LOL

@KKGator lol

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IUDs for all!

Remi Level 7 May 21, 2018

IUDs are not always practical for all.
Some women cannot tolerate them. They are not foolproof.
They shift, they fall out. They are not 100% effective and should
not be relied upon.

@KKGator I know, but they are a good solution for many and worth a shot at trying. Also, this is pretty fantastic
[nytimes.com]

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A lot of time could be saved by taking care of this before the food comes to the table on the first date.

Quite right, but how many people do you know that actually discuss this stuff BEFORE then?

@KKGator It could be quite high considering the number of people who meet online now.

@Paul628 While you're correct to an extent, still doesn't solve the problem.

@KKGator I know. I was just mostly being a smartass.
It's all I know and I do it fairly well. 😉

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Wouldn't they both have to first form shell corporations and include matching NDA's and a iron clad arbitration agreement in the contract?

MarkF Level 5 May 21, 2018

Oh man!!! You just HAD to drag the lawyers into it, didn't ya???
😉

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Guys who don't want a baby could have a vasectomy, it's relatively inexpensive and painless.

Great idea, and I usually recommend that. However, I also know several (married) couples where the husband went in for a vasectomy and later the wife got pregnant. After many recriminations, tears, and stress, paternity test results proved that the procedures didn't take. Doctors were sued, one marriage didn't survive the ordeal. So, that's not as reliable as many would think, either.

@KKGator I googled vascetomy failure rates and found this, "The overall failure rate for vasectomy rate is 0.15 percent, but that doesn't give an accurate picture of its real effectiveness. Most vasectomy failures happen during the first couple of months after the procedure, when live sperm may still present in a man's semen."

Best to clear the gun before use.

@EdEarl Agreed. Luckily for me, unintended pregnancy is no longer a possibility.

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I'd rather see the actual test results!

Quite true, as would I. Which is why I insisted on condoms, always.
Unless I was in a long term relationship, but even then, in the beginning,
I always insisted on condoms.

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Isn't this a scene from "Cherry 2000"? (1987 movie with Melanie Griffith & Ben Johnson)

Don't know, never saw that movie.

@KKGator if you enjoy B movies....this is such a B movie. Not "evil Roy Slade" but still, fun brain candy.

I've seen it - and yes!

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