I have transgender woman friends, and they refer to themselves as just "women." I am a partial transmale, myself.

This is from BBC: Transgender man/transgender woman

People assigned female at birth but living as a man may describe themselves as a "transgender man", while those assigned male at birth but living as a woman may call themselves a "transgender woman". These terms can be shortened to "trans man" or "trans woman".

Some may also use the acronyms FtM (female-to-male) and MtF (male-to-female). Many prefer simply to be identified simply as a "man" or a "woman".

@birdingnut I'm not going to police how anyone labels themselves. I know some trans women who label themselves as transwomen, and I've seen it on this site. I don't like it, and I've given the reason why. I don't care what the BBC or anyone else says about it. Same with tranny, or trap, or any other term I don't like, and feel is harmful to trans people. I'll state my opinion, because I think it's important.

@MollyBell LOL! You have yourself labeled "transwoman" on your own profile, yet you are condemning me? You sound like a troll.

@birdingnut No I don't have it on my own profile. There's a bug in the site's system where transwoman is the only choice, but those are not my words. Two more things.

1. I said I'm not going to police how you label yourself.
2. Get bent.

Interesting. I'd never heard it being included in the intersex definition. But medical definitions and gender issues get shuffled around as more information is gained.

Wikipedia: Hypospadias can be a symptom or indication of an intersex condition but the presence of hypospadias alone is not enough to classify as intersex. In most cases, hypospadias is not associated with any condition

@birdingnut There's the thing. Some medical professionals say it is, while others say it isn't. Perhaps there's even a distinction between being intersex, and being diagnosed intersex.

Anyhow, the Wiki page on Intersex defines it as follows, and makes it quite clear that genital ambiguity is not an absolute requirement:

"Intersex people are born with any of several variations in sex characteristics including chromosomes, gonads, sex hormones, or genitals that, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights, "do not fit the typical definitions for male or female bodies".[1][2] Such variations may involve genital ambiguity, and combinations of chromosomal genotype and sexual phenotype other than XY-male and XX-female."

Wikipedia is often more opinion than fact. Even with references, there's bias towards sources that confirm the author's perspective.

A typical male does not have hypospadias (best estimates are that roughly 0.5% of male births have the condition) and it is a genital deformity. On the other hand, it's specifically a birth defect of the penis, so you could argue that it's inherently a male condition, as long as there are no other genital ambiguities.

The focus needs to move from the condition itself and arbitrarily deciding whether it's intersex or not, to actually having a robust definition of the word 'intersex' by which it can be determined whether or not various specific disorders of sexual development qualify or not. The trouble being that the medical profession has largely washed its hands of the term, preferring DSD nowadays. (Though having just read that Wiki article, it seems some people don't like the 'disorders' element of the DSD terminology.)

Hi, Jaymr and welcome to the website!

When you made that unusually informed comment, I quickly checked your profile but you've not written one yet. If you do, and answer the profile questions you earn website points. When you reach level two you can private email people, but you've made comments, so you already can!

So did you spend time in Asia to realize this? Here in Thailand people can express gender as they choose and nobody cares.

@Palacinky Officially they are restricted, but practically, nobody cares about their gender presentation because Thai Buddhism accepts a Third Gender. If there is any persecution it is probably in Bangkok or places with more Western influence.

School officials, teachers, staff in the mall, etc., can present with beards and women's clothing and make up, pretty women can dress and act exactly like men, someone can be half dressed as a man, and half as a woman.

Since the Thai language allows people to label their own gender pronoun with each sentence, you don't have to guess which gender label they identify with. People even change their self-gender labels according to their moods, or circumstances. This is perfect for me, although with derris scandens, I no longer have gender dysphoria.

@Palacinky I usually live in far flung places where I seldom see a white person, so I don't know about tourist, western places like Chiang Mai, and Bangkok. Where I've lived, they were not persecuted, just accepted.

One of my school administrators wore make up, coiffed hair and a glittering female pantsuit, but wore men's shoes and a goatee, yet nobody seemed to think anything of it. Everywhere I've worked there have been transgender teachers and students, and nobody cared.

If one of my students identified as a gender other than the school uniform they were wearing, the other students would inform me before I divided up the classes for contests between the girls and the boys, and I'd count that student as that preferred gender.

But it's the same with acceptance of race, taught by Buddhism; the people accept others but the government persecutes immigrants. I've heard of families up north kicking out transgender children, but it's not been done where I've lived in worked; Lopburi, Lamnarai, Nakhon, and Songkhla.

I'm a partial transmale, but stay androgyne by taking the Thai herb derris scandens.

I'm also nonbinary, since I don't strongly identify with either gender but before I took the derris scandens herb, the male side dominated, so calling me a "girl" or "woman" elicited a feeling of outrage, even though I suppressed it all my life, not knowing why I felt it.

Now I don't care what people call me..