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"In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost."

Religious clap trap, obviously.

But here's my question - who/what is the Holy Ghost? And what does the Holy Ghost do?

Any clue?

Palindromeman 7 May 31
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Holy "Ghost" sounds scary, sneaky, harmful- like Christianity. I do use the term "Holy Spirit" to explain the Universe/ intuition/ still, small voice that keeps me out of trouble.

Just another Christian phrase bastardized to instill fear.

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The dude who ghost-wrote the Bible!

I thought that was Christopher Marlowe...

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The Holy Ghost is all that was left after the Holy Moly died.

And it leaves Holy Shit wherever it goes.

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Seriously, if you ask father McMahon, he won't be able to tell you, either. Similar to Herman Hesse's remark that the concept of god is an insanity. I think the concept of the Holy Ghost ranks right up there and anyone who argues needs a meeting with the Holy Hand grenade to straighten them out. Please notice the cynical humor.

That would be the Holy Hand grenade of Antioch, right? Count to three...

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the holy ghost haunts churches, and the minds of those that go to them ...

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I went to a Catholic elementary school and I don't fucking know. They now call it Holy Spirit. A lot easier to believe I guess.

Precisely. Just shut up and believe, FFS.

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Theologically ... the Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost is Elizabethan English for the same thing, from the King James Bible mostly) is known as "the Comforter", his role is to indwell believers and provide them with insight, wisdom, comfort, counsel, inspiration and the like. Also he's supposed to "convict" you of sin -- in other words he becomes your conscience (presumably, a far more effective and elevated conscience than unbelievers have, although I've seen zero evidence of that). Upon conversion, this person of the godhead is supposed to enter you and take up residence. How this happens and what it means is rather vague and variable.

Vague because although Christians are supposed to be "sanctified" (set apart for god) and improved by this mechanism, the NT also teaches that Christians, although they have a "new nature" and are "a new creation" also struggle with the old "sin nature". So even as a Christian I never saw the point of the Holy Spook. I accepted it in theory, but never sensed its presence, nor did I see evidence of it in others.

Variable because most Christians just teach this as a mystical abstraction but some believe that the Holy Spirit is evidenced by working miracles through you. Charismatics and Pentecostals teach that "speaking in tongues" (glossalalia) is evidence of a separate experience from conversion called the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" that happens sometime after conversion -- if you seek it earnestly enough, have enough faith, are submitted sufficiently to god, etc. Really spiritual Christians, it's claimed, can additionally have deep insight into situations and the will of god, can heal the sick, and even, some say, raise the dead. As well as do other useless stuff besides speaking in tongues, like getting "slain in the spirit" (fainting on command, basically), or the "gift of prophecy" (wherein one is possessed by the Holy Spirit to speak the words of god himself to the congregation).

That's more than you probably wanted to know, but there you have it ... my personal view is that this doctrine exists mostly to remind believers that god watches everything they do and they should be careful not to offend him (or, worse, piss him off).

Yup..that about covers it. Be advised that these supernatural things actually happen at many of these charismatic services..actual blind people healed, people speaking in languages they never learned, etc. but it's all from the beliefs of the people involved, NOT a god. Everyone has the power to heal, as the "placebo affect" shows.

Occasionally reading around here ..I’ll burst out laughing - so hard I wonder what my neighbors might think - this won tonight -- “Upon conversion, this person of the godhead is supposed to enter you and take up residence.” ...still laughing 😀 (thank you)

[ yes, edited yet again to remove some stupid little faces when attempting to make a bold statement ]

@Varn Yeah it's funny from the outside but dead serious from the inside. There's an old gospel song we used to sing that ends, "you ask me how I know He lives? He lives within my heart!". And they would actually talk about the HS taking up residence in you.

Sometimes I can't believe the stuff I believed, if ya know what I mean.

Thank you, that is very informative.

Funny, isn't it, but the description of the Holy Spirit makes it sound like the Father and the Son of the Trinity need the Holy Spirit to do things they can't do. It's like an implicit admission that God the Father and God the Son are limited in their abilities.

@Heraclitus Never thought of it that way. The Trinity itself is a crazy doctrine. Each one has a role to play, supposedly ... the Trinity is a kludge, I think, because they borrowed the "son of god" concept from elsewhere and have to still try to maintain monotheism.

@mordant Yes, the title "son of God" originally referred to a holy man or prophet. It was not intended to be taken literally. Religious people often refer to themselves as "children of God" but never take that literally.

@Heraclitus Also the notion of god sending his son to do his work on earth isn't original with Christianity, for example, Dionysius was the progeny of a divine god and a mortal woman, just like Jesus. The Roman god Mithras was also described as "son of god".

@mordant Yes, and Hercules, son of Zeus and the mortal Alcmene, who performed the 12 labors and was rewarded with the purification of his sins, immortality and his own constellation in the sky. Also, Hera tried to kill the baby Hercules. Sound vaguely familiar?

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I’ve long wondered the same 😀 ..though quickly chucked the concept onto the heap of religious ridiculousness 😉

Varn Level 8 May 31, 2018
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The nuns always told us it was a mystery

Which I regard as a cheat. Seriously, if a nun doesn't understand it, for Pete's sake, how am I supposed to?

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God sends him out to haunt you !

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